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Socialized medicine at its finest, forced abortion in the UK

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That's the other lovely thing about Socialists, eventually they get around to deciding who and what is a burden upon them and how it's all really for the best that only polite, obedient little blonde babies be bred.
Down's Syndrome virtually doesn't exist there...
 

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Ditto. The only sources I can find are overtly Catholic. Having grown up in the UK I know this would have made mainstream news, however not even a tabloid source. So I doubt this story, if it even exists, is really as it's being presented.

The source quoted is pretty pathetic. In the right hand column you've got a very healthy looking actor pretending to be a priest just died of cancer. WTF? Who can take this seriously?
I just checked and it has actually been confirmed by several other sources, so it looks legit after all, but seeing it covered without the blatant Catholic narrative driving it definitely makes a bit less "offensive".

I don't know that I agree with the judges decision, and the woman's mother (presumably her legal guardian) is okay with caring for it - so I would likely lean in the direction of not forcing this, but it's also not my decision. This is a very complicated issue, and will only become even murkier once they confirm she was raped and find the culprit. I'd be interested to see if her mother had any knowledge about that.

I'd be way more upset about the woman's bodily autonomy being neglected here than the fact that there's an abortion involved.
 

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Assuming this is true, which I doubt, given I can't find any non-ridiculous source for it - this would be awful, and obviously against what most people are okay with, as this removes "choice", a keyword in "pro-choice".
Or it could be viewed as the "choice" being made from the origin of responsibility.
 

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Or it could be viewed as the "choice" being made from the origin of responsibility.
are you referring to the government as the "origin of responsibility"? because i don't know that i have ever seen someone with that opinion, and i was under the impression that you were more libertarian leaning?

either way, bodily autonomy is generally something that the person themselves make decisions for - although that wasn't really possible in this case due to the mental state of the woman.
 

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Apparently a British judge is ordering a Nigerian catholic woman to have an abortion because of alleged mental disability. Make no mistake, the baby murder lobby has no limits, and seeing how the United Kingdom has no written constitution and no civil liberties to speak of, this is not surprising

The United States should impose economic sanctions against the UK and cancel trade deals, if I were Trump this is what I would do

UK court orders forced abortion for disabled Catholic, Nigerian woman
She's a ward of the state due to mental deficiency and it's the doctors who want the abortion, not the court. Way to misrepresent a story.
 

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Assuming this is true, which I doubt, given I can't find any non-ridiculous source for it - this would be awful, and obviously against what most people are okay with, as this removes "choice", a keyword in "pro-choice".
She's a ward of the state due to mental disability. This isn't even about a woman's freedom to choose. She literally does not have the mental capacity to make any informed decision in the first place.
 

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This has nothing to do with socialised medicine and a lot to do with courts acting in parentis as a guardian.
So you didn't read the article either.

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Apparently a British judge is ordering a Nigerian catholic woman to have an abortion because of alleged mental disability. Make no mistake, the baby murder lobby has no limits, and seeing how the United Kingdom has no written constitution and no civil liberties to speak of, this is not surprising

The United States should impose economic sanctions against the UK and cancel trade deals, if I were Trump this is what I would do

UK court orders forced abortion for disabled Catholic, Nigerian woman
Trump should launch military action to liberate the UK.

Unlike Iraq and Afghanistan, Britain actually has been a free country in the past, so we know it's possible for them to be one again.
 

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The most obvious omission is that the person the abortion is "being forced upon" lacks the mental capacity to choose. It follows that to become pregnant she was raped. She's pregnant but is unaware of the implications of that. As the judge said , once she has a tangible baby, then she could be distressed as in someone takes away her favourite new doll. A minor "operation" will soon be forgotten
Is forcing a raped mentally handicapped woman to carry a rapist's baby to term a moral decision?
As stated above, she was probably raped since she apparently lacks the mental faculties to consent to sex. So, it's not really a "forced" abortion.
There's a big chance that the baby will also have some kind of disorder, which means we citizens will likely have to pay for it for the rest of our lives, or do you think that these mentally ill people are a contribution to our society?
She's a ward of the state due to mental disability. This isn't even about a woman's freedom to choose. She literally does not have the mental capacity to make any informed decision in the first place.
No matter how abhorrent, some on the left will take the pro-abortion side regardless of the circumstances. And some of these people are Americans, and thus lack the excuse of having been brainwashed by their totalitarian governments.
 

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No matter how abhorrent, some on the left will take the pro-abortion side regardless of the circumstances. And some of these people are Americans, and thus lack the excuse of having been brainwashed by their totalitarian governments.
Are you an idiot? Do you not know what a ward of the state is.? Or why a court would be acting in loco parentis?

There's a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in.
 

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Are you an idiot? Do you not know what a ward of the state is.? Or why a court would be acting in loco parentis?

There's a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in.
As I said, some on the left will defend abortion even in its most abhorrent forms.

Hopefully Britain can one day be liberated.
 

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are you referring to the government as the "origin of responsibility"? because i don't know that i have ever seen someone with that opinion, and i was under the impression that you were more libertarian leaning?

either way, bodily autonomy is generally something that the person themselves make decisions for - although that wasn't really possible in this case due to the mental state of the woman.
My post has nothing at all to do with my leaning, simply recognition of who a large and growing number of people view as being the source of responsibility for their well being.
 

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My post has nothing at all to do with my leaning, simply recognition of who a large and growing number of people view as being the source of responsibility for their well being.

I mean, the governments only job is to protect the well-being of it's citizens - but that doesn't mean the government has the responsibility to make all decisions on their behalf. That's silly. My post said as much, no one that's pro-choice believes that, and you don't believe that.
 

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No matter how abhorrent, some on the left will take the pro-abortion side regardless of the circumstances. And some of these people are Americans, and thus lack the excuse of having been brainwashed by their totalitarian governments.
LOL at the depth of profundity.
 

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I just checked and it has actually been confirmed by several other sources, so it looks legit after all, but seeing it covered without the blatant Catholic narrative driving it definitely makes a bit less "offensive".

I don't know that I agree with the judges decision, and the woman's mother (presumably her legal guardian) is okay with caring for it - so I would likely lean in the direction of not forcing this, but it's also not my decision. This is a very complicated issue, and will only become even murkier once they confirm she was raped and find the culprit. I'd be interested to see if her mother had any knowledge about that.

I'd be way more upset about the woman's bodily autonomy being neglected here than the fact that there's an abortion involved.
I stand corrected on the coverage, thanks.
 

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They are not "forcing" her to carry the baby to term. That was her choice and is a choice supported by her mother and social worker. They are not allowing that choice because, as good quality Socialists, they know what's best for everyone and will impose their will as they see fit!
You brought your soap box w/you.
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The issue here is that he woman is not a mentally competent adult.
So, that alone makes it quite different from the hyperbole you suggest "they know what's best for everyone".

The assertion here is that the court knows better than the woman with a mental disability special psychological needs.
Feel free to make the case that "everyone" is the equivalent of a mentally deficient person with emotional issues.

This situation could've happened w/o regard to w/e economic system was in place.

The issue is about the care for those among us who're unable to care for themselves.
This issue would exist and persist in even in a world which was an entirely and totally a free market world.


that said...
idk if this was the right decision.
idk why the judge feels that the woman's mother is not likely to stick around.
 

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Exactly pro choice allows the woman or her legal guardian to make the decision.

That is one reason I am opposed to allowing the government to ban abortions.
Once you allow a government to ban abortions the government could turn around and force an abortion on a woman.
We saw that in China and now we are seeing it in the United Kingdom.
No that is not a reason you’re opposed to recognizing babies as having rights prior to birth.

This is a nonsensical argument not grounded in reality. The government if heavy handed enough can force you to do anything, or ban anything. There is no law of physics that says a government must be consistent in anything. In fact the UK allows abortion AND is apparently forcing it now. But if abortion were banned a judge couldn’t order it
 
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