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Socialism for the Uninformed

BitterPill said:
Same with the name for tree.
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You're utterly confused. The socialist ideology didn't exist before it, well, you know, existed. Many of the ideas behind it however existed well before that point. Do you understand the difference?
 
FreedomFromAll said:
False equalization is bad form.
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He's just trying to claim that everyone is a socialist. The problem of course is that he's wrong and using examples that existed before socialist ideology.
 
Henrin said:
You're utterly confused. The socialist ideology didn't exist before it, well, you know, existed. Many of the ideas behind it however existed well before that point. Do you understand the difference?
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He probably doesnt since he thinks taxes are a form of socialism.
 
A definitive definition for socialism does not exist. It depends on the definer. In all discussions on socialism, it would help if the writer frst started with his or her definition. Then these threads wouldn't spend 3/4 of the time where one person calls the other person an idiot for not knowing what socialism is.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
A lot of Venezuela's problems stem from their government's offensively poor management of money. Chavez rode high oil prices to the top without any thought on the future and without re-investing. If the cash cow is providing for you, it would be wise to ensure the cow receives the best care (meaning there was poor investment back in to the country's oil future). Instead of pumping money back in to other exports (i.e. agriculture, technology, etc.), the government essentially wasted the money. Venezuela was essentially relying on one export to hoist the entire country and, when that failed, you see what happened. I don't know if this is a lesson in socialism per se or rather, investment.
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Well yea its Govt control of the economy and that includes investment.

If only it stopped there but of-course it doesn't. The Venezuelan Govt started printing money to make up for the revenue loss from oil

They made a profit because at the time the face value of the Boliviar was higher than the cost to print it. Its called Seigniorage and NO sovereign is stupid enough or mismanaged enough to try it.

Except Venezuela.

Hillary wants to create jobs by using Fed dollars to " seed " initiaves that will lead to private investment

Like Obama's Green jobs initiave. What a disaster
 
Henrin said:
He's just trying to claim that everyone is a socialist. The problem of course is that he's wrong and using examples that existed before socialist ideology.
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Very far left propaganda insists that everything good is socialism and everything bad is capitalism. WHich apparently works for those people that swim in the koolaid punch bowl.
 
Henrin said:
You're utterly confused. The socialist ideology didn't exist before it, well, you know, existed. Many of the ideas behind it however existed well before that point. Do you understand the difference?
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What was a tree called before the word tree was created?

Who knows, but the tree existed nonetheless.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Very far left propaganda insists that everything good is socialism and everything bad is capitalism. WHich apparently works for those people that swim in the koolaid punch bowl.
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I am a landlord, so I can't be that far left.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Yet you are here spreading that same tired old propaganda.
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It looks like you are as well. The difference is I don't criticize you for spreading the same old propaganda since doing so would make me a hypocrite, and I'm even less a fan of being a hypocrite than I am of hypocrites in general.

How can you stand being a hypocrite?
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Very far left propaganda insists that everything good is socialism and everything bad is capitalism. WHich apparently works for those people that swim in the koolaid punch bowl.
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My question to you is do you think the opposite is true? Name me some BAD things about capitalism.
 
KLATTU said:
A definitive definition for socialism does not exist. It depends on the definer. In all discussions on socialism, it would help if the writer frst started with his or her definition. Then these threads wouldn't spend 3/4 of the time where one person calls the other person an idiot for not knowing what socialism is.
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There is quite literally socialist ideologies that go over all areas of interest. In order to be right all someone has to do is be correct under one of the many socialist ideologies out there.
 
BitterPill said:
What was a tree called before the word tree was created?

Who knows, but the tree existed nonetheless.
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Facepalm. Ideologies have starting points and founders. They are not things that has simply always existed but under different names.
 
BitterPill said:
I am a landlord, so I can't be that far left.
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According to your logic being a landlord could possibly have been a socialist idea. :lol:
 
Henrin said:
Facepalm. Ideologies have starting points and founders. They are not things that has simply always existed but under different names.
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So capitalism didn't exist until someone coined the term?

Facepalm for sure.
 
iguanaman said:
My question to you is do you think the opposite is true? Name me some BAD things about capitalism.
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No. Capitalists are fully aware that capitalism can enable the worst parts of human nature.
 
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Henrin said:
According to your logic being a landlord could possibly have been a socialist idea. :lol:
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I'll entertain your idea about my logic. Please tell me more.
 
BitterPill said:
It looks like you are as well. The difference is I don't criticize you for spreading the same old propaganda since doing so would make me a hypocrite, and I'm even less a fan of being a hypocrite than I am of hypocrites in general.

How can you stand being a hypocrite?
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Lol I am not spreading any propaganda. Nice try though.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Lol I am not spreading any propaganda. Nice try though.
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It is apparent denial is how you stand being a hypocrite.

Sadly, I'm too introspective to use denial.
 
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