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Social justice warriors' race to the bottom.[W:24]

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You really can't make this stuff up. There is a LGBT+ student union in the U.K. who are now actively pushing out what they call "white cis gay men" from playing any kind of active roll due to them not "facing oppression as gay men within the LGBT+ community". Think about that for a second...they don't face oppression so they are not given a space on their society committees. In other words, we're going to oppress you because you're not oppressed enough.

This is really not a surprising result, actually. There is a constant push to figure out who can be classified as the most underprivileged vs those who are privileged. Does a gay-black-trans-female have -2 privilege points? So the pushes those privileged white cis gay males out and you don't get to have a voice anymore because you just have it too good.

I originally heard this off of a podcast, looked it up, then followed a link to the actual PDF from the organization because I honestly thought this was another right-wing WND type of made up story. Saved everyone the time and just linked that.

When safe spaces are not enough...we have Safe(r) spaces!

http://nusdigital.s3-eu-west-1.amaz..._LGBT_motions_and_amendments_2.3_NO_NAMES.pdf

Motion 408: Defending Safe(r) spaces and No Platforming
Submitted by: Individuals
Speech for: Individual
Speech against:
Summation: Last Successful Amendment
Conference Believes
1. Safe(r) spaces can be defined in different ways, but common elements include zero tolerance
for discriminatory behaviour, being aware of the impact of one’s language, having autonomous
spaces for marginalised groups and being respectful of marginalised people’s subjective
experiences.
2. No platforming is a strategy used by Students’ Unions whereby they don’t provide a forum for
known oppressors or allow elected officers to share a platform with them.
3. Safe(r) spaces, no platforming and related measures such as the use of content warnings have
widely been criticised in parts of the media, with many commentators arguing that they serve
to simply ban opinions certain students don’t like and thereby censor free speech in
universities.
4. The magazine Spiked has created a ‘Free Speech University Ranking’, where universities and
SUs are assessed as to whether they ‘ban or actively censor ideas on campus’ or ‘chill free
speech through intervention’.
5. Misogyny, transphobia, racism and biphobia are often present in LGBT+ societies. This is
unfortunately more likely to occur when the society is dominated by white cis gay men
.
6. The reps system exists to ensure that societies committees can always have a reserved place
for groups which disproportionately face oppression within the LGBT+ community.
7. Gay men do not face oppression as gay men within the LGBT+ community and do not need a
reserved place on society committees.

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4. To encourage LGBT+ Societies that have a gay men’s rep to drop the position.

Who will win the most underprivileged challenge?
 

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Who will win the most underprivileged challenge?

I think the pedophiles will in the long run, sadly.
 

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I don't believe I've ever witnessed a gay person ever bash a trans person for being trans. In fact they've often been their staunchest defenders (for obvious reasons).
 

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I think the pedophiles will in the long run, sadly.

Stupid argument is stupid. I'm think too many things are glibly dismissed as "slippery slope" but this really is the biggest slippery slope fallacy out there. Child molestation is never going to be broadly accepted.
 

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Stupid argument is stupid. I'm think too many things are glibly dismissed as "slippery slope" but this really is the biggest slippery slope fallacy out there. Child molestation is never going to be broadly accepted.

One hundred years ago, you would have said the same thing about homosexuality. Now look where we are.
 

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Re: Social justice warriors' race to the bottom.

You really can't make this stuff up. There is a LGBT+ student union in the U.K. who are now actively pushing out what they call "white cis gay men" from playing any kind of active roll due to them not "facing oppression as gay men within the LGBT+ community". Think about that for a second...they don't face oppression so they are not given a space on their society committees. In other words, we're going to oppress you because you're not oppressed enough.

This is really not a surprising result, actually. There is a constant push to figure out who can be classified as the most underprivileged vs those who are privileged. Does a gay-black-trans-female have -2 privilege points? So the pushes those privileged white cis gay males out and you don't get to have a voice anymore because you just have it too good.

I originally heard this off of a podcast, looked it up, then followed a link to the actual PDF from the organization because I honestly thought this was another right-wing WND type of made up story. Saved everyone the time and just linked that.

When safe spaces are not enough...we have Safe(r) spaces!

http://nusdigital.s3-eu-west-1.amaz..._LGBT_motions_and_amendments_2.3_NO_NAMES.pdf



Who will win the most underprivileged challenge?

Since you went there, then as a straight cis male, I am sure you understand all that you need to know about these systems of power. Right?
 

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Since you went there, then as a straight cis male, I am sure you understand all that you need to know about these systems of power. Right?

Thank you for providing a fine example of anti-intellectualism that is demonstrated by SJWs. First they came for the white cis gay men, but I didn't say anything because I wasn't a white cis gay male...
 

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Screw safe spaces...

If you want to feel warm and cuddly, hire a personal therapist and sit in their office for an hour.
 

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Thank you for providing a fine example of anti-intellectualism

You're the OP, you defend it. And childish comments such as those do not help with the cause.
 

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You're the OP, you defend it. And childish comments such as those do not help with the cause.

Defend what? The race to the bottom mentality of SJWs? No, I won't defend that.
 

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Defend what? The race to the bottom mentality of SJWs? No, I won't defend that.
"Social justice warrior." :lamo

Stop patronizing me. I am nowhere nearly worthy of being called a warrior of social justice. I have a LONG ways to go.
 

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"Social justice warrior." :lamo

Stop patronizing me. I am nowhere nearly worthy of being called a warrior of social justice. I have a LONG ways to go.

What else would you expect me to do? I can do not but patronize as part of the patriarchy, amiright?!?!

Seriously, I don't know what you're asking.
 

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I think the pedophiles will in the long run, sadly.

You mean, sort of like: Why forbid kids having fun?
 

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Stupid argument is stupid. I'm think too many things are glibly dismissed as "slippery slope" but this really is the biggest slippery slope fallacy out there. Child molestation is never going to be broadly accepted.

I am not only convinced by theory and observation that even seemingly remote issues like "Summerhill" education, bans on women wearing the burka or divorce are all on the same slippery slope with transsexual men wanting to be in woman prisons etc, theyare all sliding in unison albeit some faster than others, maybe a little like in a game of mikado.
 
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It's the circle of life for social movements. Start off isolated, find more of your own, start a group of your own, find common allies, push aside distant allies, push aside closer allies, return to isolation.

I do find it somewhat amusing though. The level of education and articulation it takes to format such a resolution (for a safe space--in a university student setting no less!) is rather outstanding and shows its own form of privilege, does it not? Not only is their educational attainment rather fortunate, but they are blessed on high with the concept of a safe place on top of that.

What lucky souls.
 
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You mean, sort of like: Why forbid kids having fun?

Yeah, that'll be the reasoning behind it.
 

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I really love Christina Hoff Sommers, she's one of the sane voices of feminism in America right now. She made a good video about this that I've posted below. I also strongly recommend her other videos.


And here's her commentary on "male privilege" that I know you'll all appreciate :)

 

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what is up lately with bigots accusing *others* of the same exact prejudice they harbor? I mean OP you think it's a *good* thing so wtf?

Oh my other favorite, "he just wants to be a victim" levied by someone who *wants* to do everything to make lgbt into victims
 

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Stupid argument is stupid. I'm think too many things are glibly dismissed as "slippery slope" but this really is the biggest slippery slope fallacy out there. Child molestation is never going to be broadly accepted.

It's so prevalent because to the mental giants, it's not a slippery slope at all; they just conflate the two. He considers homosexuality/pedophilia to be identical, that you can't be gay without being a pedo, thus he claims in the adoption thread that the judge should be arrested for child endangerment

You know i saw not too long ago a "PSA" segment on homosexuality, from like the 1950s. The federal government put this out there to warn parents to keep their kids away. I think palecon must've been the narrator
 

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It's so prevalent because to the mental giants, it's not a slippery slope at all; they just conflate the two. He considers homosexuality/pedophilia to be identical, that you can't be gay without being a pedo, thus he claims in the adoption thread that the judge should be arrested for child endangerment

You know i saw not too long ago a "PSA" segment on homosexuality, from like the 1950s. The federal government put this out there to warn parents to keep their kids away. I think palecon must've been the narrator

Homosexuals are statistically more likely to molest kids, but that's besides the point. It is a slippery slope, as the same arguments employed by the current advocates of degeneracy will be employed in the future by proponents of pedophilia. Heck, I just got called a prude a few hours ago in another thread for saying that pre-pubescent children can't consent to sex.
 

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Homosexuals are statistically more likely to molest kids, but that's besides the point. It is a slippery slope, as the same arguments employed by the current advocates of degeneracy will be employed in the future by proponents of pedophilia. Heck, I just got called a prude a few hours ago in another thread for saying that pre-pubescent children can't consent to sex.

You should link to that.
 

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Stick to the topic folks. The topic is not feminism or pedophilia or whether homosexuality should be banned or not. The topic of the thread is about "social justice warriors race to the bottom." If you can't stick to the topic then leave the thread. If you can't control yourself enough to stay on topic or leave then we'll help you leave the thread.
 

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what is up lately with bigots accusing *others* of the same exact prejudice they harbor? I mean OP you think it's a *good* thing so wtf?

Oh my other favorite, "he just wants to be a victim" levied by someone who *wants* to do everything to make lgbt into victims

Don't confuse my amusement over this situation to mean I support things like gay marriage bans. I also don't care who uses what bathroom. It's to everyone else's detriment to share a stall next to me while I'm blowing that **** up.

You see no irony that they are marginalizing a marginalized group because they feel they aren't marginalized enough? That they are now oppressing an oppressed group? That safe zones aren't safe enough that they need "Safe (r)" zones? I mean, this is college ffs. This is where people are supposed to be challenged in their beliefs and ideology.

The evironment they are fostering is oppressive to the extreme.
 
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