aquapub
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aquapub said:The only evidence liberals have that President Bush was lying (let alone wrong) about Iraq's still unaccounted for WMD is....Oh wait, there is no evidence, not a shred. There are only major axes to grind, fanatical misrepresentations of current events, and self-discrediting conspiracy theories. (FYI: Joe Wilson's wife being a "covert spy"-the kind everyone in Washington knew about for years, you know, not covert at all-with a partisan agenda does not constitute Bush lying about the still unaccounted for WMD...or all the Democrats who argued the same thing Bush did when they saw the same evidence and voted for the war, or every country in the world who concluded the same thing we did).
But even if liberals could grasp what constitutes "evidence" and had any, what would be so wrong with Bush misleading us into war?
It is a matter of historical record that FDR tried to have American ships provoke conflicts with the German subs to get Americans behind the war. And it is a feasible conspiracy theory that FDR lined our entire navy up like ducks in a row as an irresistible target for the Japanese to get them to attack Pearl Harbor and get us into the war.
The reason's he was so eager to get us into Europe's fight was that Hitler had attacked or invaded every neighbor he had (just like Saddam), he was building and possessed WMD (just like Saddam), he was committing genocide (just like Saddam), and most importantly, he knew that Hitler would eventually be a direct and unstoppable threat to the U.S. if left in power (another 9/11 would have been unstoppable if we allowed Saddam to continue sponsoring terror-Palestinian suicide bombers and probably Al Queda too).
Liberals forgive their own for doing the same thing they are crucifying Bush for supposedly (very supposedly) doing.
dragonslayer said:Look at the lies Bush has told? He never stops lying.
Actually, the accusation from the left is that the Asministration DID know something, but they weren't willing to share it, making your "Know Nothing" rant at odds with the accusations...dragonslayer said:Rename Dubya's Party after the old Know Nothing Party, but call it The Know Nothing and The We don't Wanna America To Know Nothing Party.
He is ruining our economy
treating real Americans like ****
aquapub said:But even if liberals could grasp what constitutes "evidence" and had any, what would be so wrong with Bush misleading us into war?
we have created a civil war quagmire that there is no reasonable way out
oldreliable67 said:Iriemon,
Excellent response: well organized and to the point. The only part I don't agree with is the following:
Iriemon: we have created a civil war quagmire that there is no reasonable way out
It is far from a quaqmire, at least as of this moment. Still could turn into one, but not there yet. The risk of a quagmire is more of a political risk than a military risk. Like Vietnam, the insurgents know very well that the American public has a short attention span and will not stand for a prolonged conflict, even one with as low a US casualty rate as this one (so far). (Thats not a minimization of casualties- any casualty is tragic.)
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In the smaller picture, though, here is one man's view of why we are in Iraq: We are trying to democratize this country so they - terrorists - don't try to kill us. That Iraqis should "get their freedom" is genuinely good and desirable. But I wish Bush would say more often that Iraqi democratization is in our raw self-interest. It doesn't much matter to me whether the country we democratize is Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia or Syria. The theory that democracies don't attack other democracies is as strong as such notions get, and what the world most needs now is a new, large Islamic democracy. A democracy, however "imperfect," is less likely than an authoritarian state to detonate a nuclear device in someone else's territory.
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Portions of the foregoing were paraphrased from Daniel Henninger's 'Wonderland' column in the WSJ. The source is here.
cnredd said:Actually, the accusation from the left is that the Asministration DID know something, but they weren't willing to share it, making your "Know Nothing" rant at odds with the accusations...
If your wanna spout the ravings of your masters, at least get on the same page as them...:2wave:
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