So they're not going to Give Zelensky a no Fly Zone?

[Exquisitor]

So they're not going to Give Zelensky a no fly zone?

They're just going to let him die.

Leave his Country in a demolished insurgency?

 

[Napoleon]

Right now, the United States and Europe are using this as an opportunity for a proxy war. This is already dangerous enough without direct intervention to establish and enforce a no-fly zone. So the answer is no - Zelensky is just going to have to walk the talk.

 

[Crovax]

So they're not going to Give Zelensky a no fly zone?

They're just going to let him die.

Leave his Country in a demolished insurgency?

A no fly zone would be a direct war with Russia, no way Biden will do that

 

[BirdinHand]

I don't think there is any way TO give a no-fly zone without escalating the situation.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

So they're not going to Give Zelensky a no fly zone?

They're just going to let him die.

Leave his Country in a demolished insurgency?

How do you enforce it?

Shoot Russian planes down, then in retaliation Russia sends cruise missiles to hit European airports. Who then responds hitting Russia itself who then responds with tactical nuclear weapons. Then we all wake up to a mushroom cloud.

A no fly zone expands the war, which will in my opinion lead to a nuclear confrontation. So yes Ukraine gets sacrificed,

 

[Airyaman]

So they're not going to Give Zelensky a no fly zone?

They're just going to let him die.

Leave his Country in a demolished insurgency?

Weapons, money, and sanctioning the hell out of Putin and his buddies, that's going to have to be the extent of it.

 

[Napoleon]

How do you enforce it?

Shoot Russian planes down, then in retaliation Russia sends cruise missiles to hit European airports. Who then responds hitting Russia itself who then responds with tactical nuclear weapons. Then we all wake up to a mushroom cloud.

A no fly zone expands the war, which will in my opinion lead to a nuclear confrontation. So yes Ukraine gets sacrificed,

I’m not at all convinced it won’t come to that with Russia threatening to expand its “special security operation” to include any persons and facilities providing material support to Ukraine. NATO is already playing a very dangerous game. We can only hope that Putin is bluffing.

 

[Redress]

I’m not at all convinced it won’t come to that with Russia threatening to expand its “special security operation” to include any persons and facilities providing material support to Ukraine. NATO is already playing a very dangerous game. We can only hope that Putin is bluffing.

It is a game that has to be played. Unchecked aggression in a strategically important area has to be contested. What Russia is doing has to be opposed, both morally, and strategically, but it has to be opposed in ways that do not make things worse for those opposing Russia.

 

[Ginger Ale]

That would be the same as just declaring war with Russia. So, probably not.

 

[humbolt]

Weapons, money, and sanctioning the hell out of Putin and his buddies, that's going to have to be the extent of it.

Turkey could close the Bosphorus. Looks to me like it needs maintenance. Significant maintenance.

 

[Napoleon]

It is a game that has to be played. Unchecked aggression in a strategically important area has to be contested. What Russia is doing has to be opposed, both morally, and strategically, but it has to be opposed in ways that do not make things worse for those opposing Russia.

Unchecked aggression? The West has invaded and occupied nations for less. Ukraine was not considered strategically important enough to support them when it could have made a difference. NATO is indirectly getting its hand slapped by Russia for its aggressive expansion to gobble up what should have been neutral buffer-nations.

The strategic answer is to take its lumps and move on instead of creating the biggest risk in its history of instigating a direct conflict with Russia over half-measures in support of a non-member State. So now it comes to it. **** or get off the pot.

 

[BirdinHand]

I’m not at all convinced it won’t come to that with Russia threatening to expand its “special security operation” to include any persons and facilities providing material support to Ukraine. NATO is already playing a very dangerous game.

Russia doesn’t dare to try to expand to that extent.

Right now the goal needs to be providing Ukraine as much support as possible from a distance.

Should the situation on the ground change, then strategies can be adjusted.

Sadly, it’s been allowed to get this far and now the world has to play the cards on the table.

 

[Mr Person]

So they're not going to Give Zelensky a no fly zone?

They're just going to let him die.

Leave his Country in a demolished insurgency?

You do understand what has to happen to enforce a No Fly Zone, right?

Announcing it isn't the problem. Someone already gave you the reason why it would be an extremely big fat problematic risk in this context.

 

[Redress]

Unchecked aggression? The West has invaded and occupied nations for less. Ukraine was not considered strategically important enough to support them when it could have made a difference. NATO is indirectly getting its hand slapped by Russia for its aggressive expansion to gobble up what should have been neutral buffer-nations.

The strategic answer is to take its lumps and move on instead of creating the biggest risk in its history of instigating a direct conflict with Russia over half-measures in support of a non-member State. So now it comes to it. **** or get off the pot.

Yeah, it is everyone else's fault Russia chose to invader a sovereign nation...

 

[Hamish Howl]

Yeah, that's a great idea, a no-fly zone.

A week later 8 billion people are dead, but at least we made our point, right?

Or we could just ship in more stingers.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Unchecked aggression? The West has invaded and occupied nations for less. Ukraine was not considered strategically important enough to support them when it could have made a difference. NATO is indirectly getting its hand slapped by Russia for its aggressive expansion to gobble up what should have been neutral buffer-nations.

The strategic answer is to take its lumps and move on instead of creating the biggest risk in its history of instigating a direct conflict with Russia over half-measures in support of a non-member State. So now it comes to it. **** or get off the pot.

Look what we MADE Putin do.

 

[CaughtInThe]

so we're talking about doing the Top Gun with the Russian Air Force over the Ukraine?

 

[Napoleon]

Look what we MADE Putin do.

Yeah, it is everyone else's fault Russia chose to invader a sovereign nation...

Did you think NATO could expand forever and Russia wouldn’t react?

 

[Acadia]

It's hard to sit by and watch Ukraine get decimated, but shooting down a Russian plane could trigger WWIII.
But part of me wonders if we enter that now, or later, when Putin decides to go after the next sovereign nation.

 

[BirdinHand]

It's hard to sit by and watch Ukraine get decimated, but shooting down a Russian plane could trigger WWIII.
But part of me wonders if we enter that now, or later, when Putin decides to go after the next sovereign nation.

Yep.

Putin has been set free - where he stops, we don’t know.

Welcome to Cold War Part 2, hope you brought the pop tarts and MTV.

 

[Acadia]

Yep.

Putin has been set free - where he stops, we don’t know.

Welcome to Cold War Part 2, hope you brought the pop tarts and MTV.

And Tang.

 

[BirdinHand]

And Tang.

Omg Tang! I forgot about Tang!

 

[Cardinal]

So they're not going to Give Zelensky a no fly zone?

They're just going to let him die.

Leave his Country in a demolished insurgency?

No Fly Zone = active warfare between NATO/US forces and Russian forces -----> nuclear war.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Did you think NATO could expand forever and Russia wouldn’t react?

Do you think it's any other country's business what organization another country joins?

Or are you one of those people that believes that only superpowers have sovereignty?

 

[Cardinal]

Yeah, that's a great idea, a no-fly zone.

A week later 8 billion people are dead, but at least we made our point, right?

Or we could just ship in more stingers.

For 60 years there has been an unwritten Cold War rule: Thall shalt not fight thine enemies directly, but thall shalt arm thine enemies' enemies fruitfully that they may decimate them greatly.