So much for the "Israel doesn't abide by UN Resolutions" argument from Muslims

[Volker]

Herr Volker. You explicitly stated that you never retracted your Basement charge against me and inferred that the retraction post was a fabrication on my part.

Where did I do this until the moment you posted this?

I do believe that you owe me a public apology sir.

Sure I don't believe this.

 

[Volker]

Volker, respectfully, I have PMed you the admission, in your own words. Please acknowledge it here and admit what happened.

You have PMed me a post and it contained my own words.
There is nothing to admit.

 

[Volker]

you're free to think of it what you like... but you're really not fooling anyone...

It is not my intention to fool anyone, it is my intention to find the truth.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

You have PMed me a post and it contained my own words.
There is nothing to admit.

And in your own words, you retracted your claims accusing Tashah of being dishonest.

 

[Volker]

And in your own words, you retracted your claims accusing Tashah of being dishonest.

Even if I would have retracted it, it would not help her to become less dishonest. This is not a problem I have, this is a problem she has.

 

[Karmashock]

It is not my intention to fool anyone, it is my intention to find the truth.

Sadly, I don't think you could find your own *** with both hands and a map. :lol:

 

[Volker]

Ad hominem, ad hominem, ad hominem, ...

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Sadly, I don't think you could find your own *** with both hands and a map. :lol:

Moderator's Warning:

Totally unnecessary. Do not continue doing this.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Even if I would have retracted it, it would not help her to become less dishonest. This is not a problem I have, this is a problem she has.

Irrelevant to the point at hand. You know the post. You wrote it. You saw it. Whether the retraction was made in good faith or not, it was a retraction nonetheless. If you don't believe it, you can retract the retraction. You say your intention is to find the truth. That is always my intention. Adhere to your words. You know what you said. Take claim to those words.

 

[Karmashock]

Ad hominem, ad hominem, ad hominem, ...

No sir.

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument by attacking or appealing to the person making the argument, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument. It is most commonly used to refer specifically to the ad hominem abusive, or argumentum ad personam, which consists of criticizing or personally attacking an argument's proponent in an attempt to discredit that argument.

I did not reject your arguments by attacking you.


I attacked your arguments DIRECTLY. I addressed YOU directly. You however have demonstrated a complete detachment from reality throughout. And as such AFTER completely obliterating your argument, I have moved on to you.


That is not ad hominem. If you use that term improperly again, I'll be able to conclude that you then have literacy issues. You've got your hand in a wood chipper here, pal. The smart thing to do would be to pull out now and save what little you can... However, I suspect you'll just dive right into the wood chipper under the mistaken assumption that it won't turn you into hamburger.


In any event, this is again not something I have control over... if you want to continue to commit suicide, I cannot stop you.

 

[Volker]

Irrelevant to the point at hand. You know the post. You wrote it. You saw it. Whether the retraction was made in good faith or not, it was a retraction nonetheless. If you don't believe it, you can retract the retraction. You say your intention is to find the truth. That is always my intention. Adhere to your words. You know what you said. Take claim to those words.

I still think, both is true, what I said in the thread what you and others seem to perceive as an retraction. If i have to decide, then I go with the thread content and retract the "retraction".

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

I still think, both is true, what I said in the thread what you and others seem to perceive as an retraction. If i have to decide, then I go with the thread content and retract the "retraction".

So, if I understand you correctly, you are publicly admitting that you made the retraction in the Basement post and are also publicly retracting that retraction. Is this correct?

 

[Karmashock]

I'm done with you Volker... I've added you to my ignore list for the reasons cited above.

 

[Volker]

I did not reject your arguments by attacking you.

I attacked your arguments DIRECTLY. I addressed YOU directly. You however have demonstrated a complete detachment from reality throughout. And as such AFTER completely obliterating your argument, I have moved on to you.

My argument is, there are tricks with questioning the honesty of people. You even got an extra example here, how it works. You can check back the last pages.

It's not the original topic of this thread, I just pointed it out, when I saw it.

 

[Volker]

So, if I understand you correctly, you are publicly admitting that you made the retraction in the Basement post and are also publicly retracting that retraction. Is this correct?

This is not correct. I publicly admit, that there is a post which some people seem to perceive as a retraction. If you do feel it is a retraction, then I retract the "retraction". If you feel there is no contradiction to the thread content, then there is nothing to retract. I pick the latter, but that's just me.

 

[Volker]

I'm done with you Volker... I've added you to my ignore list for the reasons cited above.

This is fine with me.

 

[Shayah]

My free time to post at Debate Politics has been limited for a number of months due to my decision to obtain another degree in the medical field while also continuing to work full time. My sister mentioned Volkers current antics to me, and I do wish to respond.

I also participated in Volkers basement thread about my sister. Volkers whole basement thesis rested on his all-encompassing accusation that Tashah is dishonest. He came to this unitary conclusion because my sister articulated that he was being dishonest and classless in a particular thread.

Many members (including Moderators) examined the pertinint posts and came to the conclusion that Tashah was right. Volker was being extremely obtuse and furthermore, was attempting to disingenuously manipulate her words and the context of her post. jamesrage in particular thoroughly demonstrated that what Volker was inferring (dishonesty) could be neither logically nor contextually true per Tashah's post.

Also, a phalanx of members stepped forward and vouched for Tashah's integrity, even members who disagreed with her political viewpoints. In addition, it would be nigh impossible for her to remain a Moderator here if she lacked the higher qualities of honesty and fairness.

I do remember the retraction post by Volker. He finally admitted that my sister is not a dishonest person and in effect, his admission verified that his whole basement thread thesis was simply untrue and born of malicious intent.

He has said here that he never authored such a post. Once again he is inferring that Tashah is being dishonest. But there is a catch here. In order for Tashah to be dishonest in this, then many other members including myself must also be complicit in this dishonesty since we agree with her posit that Volker did in fact author a retraction post. Volker now realizes this conundrum and desperately tries to mitigate the damage to his 'credibility' by 'retracting his retraction'. How strikingly pathetic.

Herr Volker. Is your capacity for deceit boundless? Will you sacrifice anything upon the alter of self-preservation? You do in fact owe Tashah and all of the other members who have testified in this an apology. This debt cannot be simply side-stepped with convenient and contrived 'as-you-go' manipulations on your part.

You yourself sundered your credibility in the Basement. Here and now, you elect to reprise and attenuate that infamous episode. True to form. You are what you are, which is exactly what Tashah articulated.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Volker. You and I have PMed and you have seen the retraction. It is obtuse to claim that it was not one. You and I have been 'internet friends' from near my inception at DP, but I will not sit by and watch anyone's integrity get smeared when I have evidence of the truth. I am going to ask you to acknowledge the retraction as you have seen it and as you wrote it, and to publicly apologize for accusing Tashah of lying when she stated that you had made the retraction post. If you do not, I will take this to the next level, and post the retraction IN-THREAD for all to see, examine, and discuss, regardless of the consequences.

In the post we are discussing, you showed a lot of integrity by retracting your original statement. Please do so again.

 

[Volker]

My free time to post at Debate Politics has been limited for a number of months due to my decision to obtain another degree in the medical field while also continuing to work full time. My sister mentioned Volkers current antics to me, and I do wish to respond.

If your time is so limited you should use it for something better than writing this kind posts to find lame excuses for the dishonest behavior of your sister.

I do remember the retraction post by Volker. He finally admitted that my sister is not a dishonest person and in effect, his admission verified that his whole basement thread thesis was simply untrue and born of malicious intent.

No, what I said in this thread is valid. I did not say it was untrue, born of malicious intent or something. If you don't remember correctly, then ask the Captain, he has access to these posts.

He has said here that he never authored such a post. Once again he is inferring that Tashah is being dishonest. But there is a catch here. In order for Tashah to be dishonest in this, then many other members including myself must also be complicit in this dishonesty since we agree with her posit that Volker did in fact author a retraction post. Volker now realizes this conundrum and desperately tries to mitigate the damage to his 'credibility' by 'retracting his retraction'. How strikingly pathetic.

I let other people have their opinions. I don't like to call people dishonest only because they have a different views.

Herr Volker. Is your capacity for deceit boundless? Will you sacrifice anything upon the alter of self-preservation? You do in fact owe Tashah and all of the other members who have testified in this an apology. This debt cannot be simply side-stepped with convenient and contrived 'as-you-go' manipulations on your part.

For this blatant nonsense you would owe me only apology, but actually, this is not important to me. An apology from my side would be absurd. I feel sorry for you for having such twisted ideas.

You yourself sundered your credibility in the Basement. Here and now, you elect to reprise and attenuate that infamous episode. True to form. You are what you are, which is exactly what Tashah articulated.

Now this is pathetic.

 

[Volker]

Volker. You and I have PMed and you have seen the retraction. It is obtuse to claim that it was not one. You and I have been 'internet friends' from near my inception at DP, but I will not sit by and watch anyone's integrity get smeared when I have evidence of the truth. I am going to ask you to acknowledge the retraction as you have seen it and as you wrote it, and to publicly apologize for accusing Tashah of lying when she stated that you had made the retraction post.

I pointed out where she lied. It's easy to see where she did. To want to have an apology by me is absurd and unrealistic.

If you do not, I will take this to the next level, and post the retraction IN-THREAD for all to see, examine, and discuss, regardless of the consequences.

Like I said before, I have no problem with the "retraction" to be posted.

In the post we are discussing, you showed a lot of integrity by retracting your original statement. Please do so again.

I did not know that it is perceived by some people as a to retract the original content. It was meant as an explanation of why I don't want to post in this thread any longer.

 

[EAGLE1]

It seems that so far Volker is defending himself quite admirably against this point about retraction. Plus so far its curious that his attackers cannot bring the words to this thread.

To help matters I suggest that Volker give permission for the words in question to be dragged up from the basement and interpreted by all.

 

[jallman]

It seems that so far Volker is defending himself quite admirably against this point about retraction. Plus so far its curious that his attackers cannot bring the words to this thread.

To help matters I suggest that Volker give permission for the words in question to be dragged up from the basement and interpreted by all.

You're...kidding, right? Sometimes sarcastic humor doesn't translate well through the written word and this is one of those cases? Right?

 

[Volker]

It seems that so far Volker is defending himself quite admirably against this point about retraction. Plus so far its curious that his attackers cannot bring the words to this thread.

Thank you very much :mrgreen:

To help matters I suggest that Volker give permission for the words in question to be dragged up from the basement and interpreted by all.

I have no problem with it, my permission is given.

 

[EAGLE1]

You're...kidding, right? Sometimes sarcastic humor doesn't translate well through the written word and this is one of those cases? Right?

No here's the humour;

Q. What's the difference between the French and the Americans?
A. The Americans shoot their students, the French are ****s.

The serious bit is about the words. After all in the post above Volker gives his permission. So lets have it.

 

[jallman]

No here's the humour;

Q. What's the difference between the French and the Americans?
A. The Americans shoot their students, the French are ****s.

The serious bit is about the words. After all in the post above Volker gives his permission. So lets have it.

Have you read much of what Volker has posted? Look, I'm not one of those Europe bashers who just likes to bash Europeaners for the sake of it.

My dislike for Volker is specific to him, not where he is from. I know you guys from Europe stick together like we Americans stick together, but this is one time you are throwing your hat in with a really disappointing human being.

I am interested to see how your mind changes after that post is made public again.