So lefties want socialism because everybody would be in the same wealth class....

[Daddyo]

Yes, and who didn't do the regulating? You got it; your (republican) government in the case of 2007.

Better question......who started the program? It was Clinton's deal to help everyone achieve the american dream of home ownership. They lowered lending standards by government fanny or Freddie I believe. Private sector had to join them or go out of business. Easy money meant higher prices. Housing prices blew up and then eventually crashed.

It was Clinton's deal.

 

[Daddyo]

So tell us if you keep hearing the same argument, or better yet show us where any dem on here has said they want the government to own mcdonald's. Just one will do. These crazy arguments you and other make are only to tell each other, no dem thinks the way you think we do. Government owning mcdonald's, give us a break.

But you guys think that McDonald's should be forced to pay 15 bucks an hour AND be taxed at over 30 cents on the dollar. You also believe that mcdonalds should be forced to provide health insurance to those burger flippers.

So as government you don't technically own mcdonalds but you forced them to pay for things they may or may not want to pay for. Things that might hurt their business model. Not in a small way mind you but in a heavy handed costly way. Essentially government has more power than the CFO or owner since they cannot opt out.

 

[Daddyo]

I'm a taxpayer. When I pay taxes, I understand that I owe them, just like everybody else who pays them.

I don't pretend that they're still mine after I've paid them.

If I did that, I'd be deluding myself, and I prefer to live in reality.

I earned the money. While I may "owe" a portion to government it is still my money. I pay in 60k and get back 1200.00 I still paid 58,800. If you cant understand that lol sorry for your ignorance.


Furthur when almost half of working Americans pay NO taxes at all and many of those actually receive tax moneys that they didnt pay in to the system EITC, I consider what I earned mine. Stolen by government thieves at a rate much higher than what it should be if government simply covered its original duties of defense and infrastructure.

 

[bongsaway]

But you guys think that McDonald's should be forced to pay 15 bucks an hour AND be taxed at over 30 cents on the dollar. You also believe that mcdonalds should be forced to provide health insurance to those burger flippers.

So as government you don't technically own mcdonalds but you forced them to pay for things they may or may not want to pay for. Things that might hurt their business model. Not in a small way mind you but in a heavy handed costly way. Essentially government has more power than the CFO or owner since they cannot opt out.

So in essence you are saying there really isn't any socialism going on. We on the left already know this, it's you guys on the right who has the government owning everything. Most of the problems the right fights against, are in their own minds.

 

[john patriot]

I earned the money. While I may "owe" a portion to government it is still my money. I pay in 60k and get back 1200.00 I still paid 58,800. If you cant understand that lol sorry for your ignorance.


Furthur when almost half of working Americans pay NO taxes at all and many of those actually receive tax moneys that they didnt pay in to the system EITC, I consider what I earned mine. Stolen by government thieves at a rate much higher than what it should be if government simply covered its original duties of defense and infrastructure.

be careful what you ask for socialism is a one way street, if you work you will allowed a house and means to travel to work. food and goods from the company store, if you have the cheats. if you don't work you will have to live in multi-generational housing. and have your food supplied by relatives or people who do work. the socialist will tell you how many children you can have, when and how far you can travel. there is no free programs for people who don't work. this is the way things used to be, the company store was the center of the society. but under the new plan the store will be owned by the government and cheats will be furnished by the government. Q 2024

 

[john patriot]

Better question......who started the program? It was Clinton's deal to help everyone achieve the american dream of home ownership. They lowered lending standards by government fanny or Freddie I believe. Private sector had to join them or go out of business. Easy money meant higher prices. Housing prices blew up and then eventually crashed.

It was Clinton's deal.

I remember you are so right! Q 2024

 

[OlNate]

"Socialism" means government ownership of the means of production and nobody of account is advocating for it.

More stupid ass Trumpist blather. Boy, they sure do love shadowboxing with imagined straw men.






You already farted on moronically about socialism here:

Was Jesus a socialist?

Yeah, I mean, DAMN, but you have to be a special kind of voluntary stupid not to understand this by now. It's like, ever since Trump said he loves the uneducated, they're trying to outdo each other... Maybe they think that the stupidest will be treated to a McDonalds meal at the WH, or something....

 

[john patriot]

be careful what you ask for socialism is a one way street, if you work you will allowed a house and means to travel to work. food and goods from the company store, if you have the cheats. if you don't work you will have to live in multi-generational housing. and have your food supplied by relatives or people who do work. the socialist will tell you how many children you can have, when and how far you can travel. there is no free programs for people who don't work. this is the way things used to be, the company store was the center of the society. but under the new plan the store will be owned by the government and cheats will be furnished by the government. Q 2024

I remember Bill Clinton talking about this and saying he could see it in the future.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Trump's followers never talk about what Trump is doing and saying. So, I will.

Trump looks really stupid doing it, but he has this nasty habit of creating fantasies, then basing his opinions on the fantasies he created. It is a sign of intellectual disparity and sheer desperation. He can't use reality or what his opponents say. He must invent a different reality or his opponent's dialogue.

Politico writes, "Don’t focus on the 200,000 people the coronavirus might kill in the U.S., think about the 2 million people President Donald Trump is saving."

“What would have happened if we did nothing?” Trump asked.

“Think of the number — potentially 2.2 million people if we did nothing, if we didn’t do the distancing, if we didn’t do all of the things that we’re doing,” Trump added.

I told you Trump looked stupid and desperate.

“If you give power to Joe Biden, the radical left will defund police departments . . . no one will be safe,” Trump told a Republican audience, adding that Democrats would support “anarchists, agitators, rioters, looters, and flag-burners."

“Biden is a Trojan horse for socialism,” Trump said, adding that his Democratic rival did not have “the strength to stand up to wild-eye Marxists.”

Biden has been in Washington politics for 47 years as a United States Senator and a vice-president for eight years. He is no wide-eyed newbie, and, if anything, as the author of the 1994 Crime Bill, he is a right of center moderate.

The idea that Biden would support defunding police departments as well as “anarchists, agitators, rioters, looters, and flag-burners" is pure fantasy that borders on the ludicrous.

Yet this is what our President says about his political opponent. Trump once again relies on fantasy.

By the way, the death toll now is 206,500 Americans. Because of Trump's continued mishandling of the pandemic and fantasies regarding same, we may actually reach 2.2 million before this is over. We are averaging between 35,000 and 40,000 new cases per day -- that's greater than the dreaded March/April period -- and more than 1,000 deaths/day again.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Trump said yesterday in a press conference that he could overrule the Food and Drug Administration on a vaccine. He said that FDA's determination to ensure the efficacy and safety of any vaccine was political.

“We are looking at that, but I think that was a political move more than anything else,” Trump said today.

In other words, according to Trump, it will be Trump who decides when a vaccine will be ready for distribution, hopefully before that "very important date," as he put it.

Is this another one of Trump's fantasies?

Americans sure hope so.

Yesterday in his press conference, Trump would not commit to providing a peaceful transition of power after Election Day.

"Well, we're going to have to see what happens," Trump said.

The basis for Trump's opinion was his fantasy, his baseless false assertion that widespread mail-in voting is rife with fraud.

"You know that I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots and the ballots are a disaster," Trump said.

Trump has never supported that assertion. He just says it.

In other words, it is his fantasy.

The very opposite is true. Trump proved!

Report: Trump commission did not find widespread voter fraud
PORTLAND, Maine (AP) — The now-disbanded voting integrity commission launched by the Trump administration uncovered no evidence to support claims of widespread voter fraud, according to an analysis of administration documents released Friday. In a letter to Vice President Mike Pence and Kansas...

apnews.com

Vote early!

 

[Logical1]

Forget about wealth. With socialism you have to worry about if you are going to live.

 

[Yakshi]

Forget about wealth. With socialism you have to worry about if you are going to live.

Boo!

 

[Nickyjo]

democrats, who fought against voting rights for women, who fought against voting rights for black Americans, seek to present the Ponzi scheme of social security as a net benefit to workers, but in fact it is not - which is why the ruling elite in Congress and the government unions opt out of it. PERS makes government workers rich when they retire, SS has the peasants eating dog food - it they are foolish enough to depend on it.

A worker who entered the workforce in in 1980 and made the median wage until retirement who has paid into Social Security the entire time is being raped. The same funds invested in a mutual fund for the same period would return over 1800% more than the worker will get from the Ponzi scheme.

Unemployment and disability are state programs and have nothing to do with the utter bovine feces of the Communists.

And Obama's fascist care?


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Hope you are enjoying the 1890s.

 

[Nickyjo]

He just described what socialism leads to everytime. The social nirvana you kids find so attractive is but a dream. It sounds great.....I agree it sounds great BTW. Unfortunately it doesn't work like it sounds. Never in history has it worked.

The reason is simple. You remove reward and hard work is no longer justifiable. You will NOT work harder than your neighbor since all is going to be equal. Work should be equal. Trust me everyone does as little as possible under that system.

Waiters who provide great service and work hard do so for the larger tip. Remove tips and service will go to crap. No incentive to work hard.

Obviously we should also tip police officers and firefighters. Face it, we have a mix of socialism and capitalism, as do all more developed countries, and there are no plans to change it. Ayn Rand is dead. After collecting Socialist Security.