So Allen has some Jewish ancestry

[Navy Pride]

Do you like this poll too from TODAY's USATODAY (10-6-06)

                        Webb (Dem.)  	          Allen (Rep)  	 	
Likely Voters 	  	  	  	  	 
2006 Sep 27-Oct 1 	45 	                        48

Source: http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/2006-10-05-virginia-races.htm

USA Today, another left wing media propoganda outlet......I like a non partisan poller like Zogby better

Allen 48

Webb 37

 

[Caine]

USA Today, another left wing media propoganda outlet...

Prove it........

 

[26 X World Champs]

USA Today, another left wing media propoganda outlet.

Your intense prejudice to anyone or anything that doesn't exactly agree with your made up nonsense always makes me laugh, so thanks for the giggle.

 

[Navy Pride]

Prove it........

Read it...........

 

[Navy Pride]

Your intense prejudice to anyone or anything that doesn't exactly agree with your made up nonsense always makes me laugh, so thanks for the giggle.

:rofl Boy if that is not the pot calling the kettle black....:rofl

 

[The face of Jacob]

Judaism is a religion not a race, kid.

Not true!

A definition of a Jew is someone who was born to a Jewish mother. Jews are people of the Judah tribe, Jews are a group/race/nation. Indeed there are people who aren't belong to the Jewish nation/race of people and they wanted to join the Jewish nation so they accepted to believe in that things that Jews believe. Their numbers are very very law. Most of the Gentiles who are converting to Judaism are doing it because of love affairs to Jewish man or a female. But the children of Israel are not people of a religion, they are a group of people that were been taken out of slavery in ancient Egypt and were forced to behave in some kind of behaviour by God who forced them.

It's very common for the Reform Jews to consider themselves as religion and not a race. I've seen a very informative video, presented by the Israeli Rabbi Yossef Ben Porat and in this video he is saying that the reform organization was established in the begining of the 19th centrury in Germany by Jews that wanted to assimilated with the Gentiles and to abandon their heritage and their commandments. These Reform Jews have erased the prayers for Jerusalem from the Jewish prayer books and they said that Germany is the home of the Jews and that the Jews will never come back to Israel. They are the ones who established the "Education movement" in Germany, a movement that all it's aim was to be like the Germans. When Adolf Hitler talked about the Jewish problem in Europe, then those Reform Jews have said: "Relax, he doesn't talk about us, we aren't Jews, we are Germans, he talks about the Jews of East Europe". What these Reforms didn't know is that they were the first to be sent to the concentration camps and to the death camps.

A Jew is not a person who belongs to a religion. A Jew will be a Jew forever. Judaism is a nation of people who were taken out of slavery in Egypt and were forced to behave in some kind of behaviour.

God is saying many times in the Torah that he seperated us from the Gentiels, if not then there is no point in a Jewish nation. It doesn't matter how a Jew define himself: religious, secular, athiest or even if he will abandon his belief and will believe in something else - a Jew will be a Jew forever, in the eyes of God who is judging him everyday and also in the eyes of the Gentiles that he is living amongst (whom he thinks that they will think that he is not Jewish if he will tell them that he doesn't believe in the Jewish history, like Chompsky and all the other self hatred Jews are doing...)

The ones who are saying that Judaism isn't a nation/race are self hatred Jews or complete ignorant!

 

[Tashah]

A definition of a Jew is someone who was born to a Jewish mother.

Jews are people of the Judah tribe, Jews are a group/race/nation.

A Jew is not a person who belongs to a religion.

The ones who are saying that Judaism isn't a nation/race are self hatred Jews or complete ignorant!

Wrong.

If you go back far enough, we all come from the same Adam and Kavah (Adam and Eve). So 'race' is at best an artificial concept.

Judaism is not racial. Judaism is something we are proud to do, not something we are proud to be. Judaism is our opportunity to attain holiness.

Additionally, a Jew could also be someone who converted to Judaism. Proper and true converts to Judaism are accepted as full Jews. Thus, there are Jews who have been Black, Asian, whatever. I know many of them myself. Furthermore, there are many Jews from many backgrounds and many 'races', and often they don't look at all like people expect Jews to look (whatever look that is). It doesn't make a bit of difference. Race isn't a factor in being Jewish.

Let me make this clear: Nowhere in the Torah, neither in the Written Torah or the Oral Torah, is there any indication that a Jew with so-called "pure" Jewish blood and DNA is in any way more meritorious than a true convert or the descendant of true converts. There is no such thing. It is not your blood or DNA that matters. It is what you do, and what you believe, not who your parents were. Either type of Jew can achieve the same level in the World to Come, depending on what they do in this world, not who they are.

To recapitulate... we do not keep Judaism because we have a racial identity as Jews. If anything, we probably shouldn't have a racial identity. We should have a religious identity. We keep Judaism because Hashem commanded us to. And He commanded us to teach our children to love and embrace Judaism. And so while being Jewish can be inherited, one can become Jewish as well.

 

[The face of Jacob]

Wrong.

Indeed you are wrong!

If you go back far enough, we all come from the same Adam and Kavah (Adam and Eve). So 'race' is at best an artificial concept.

So what? Even Amalek and Esau have genetic relations to the children of Israel and God commanded to destroy Amalek completely and according the Jewish belief the seed (race) of Amalek will be destroyed completely in the end of time. So what are you saying? That since we all the children of Adam and Eve then we can live all together? Do you want to live together with Amalek? Do you want to live together with Nazis? Just in the name of Multi-cultorism or what ever the name of it? God doesn't want you to live amongst Gentiles, if he wanted then he wouldn't let us out of Egypt and wouldn't commanded us to live in Israel. Not to mention the fact that God have said in his own words that he is seperating us from the Gentiles.

God commanded us to eliminate the 7 small nations that were living in Israel in the time that he took us from Egypt. He commandment to kill them all without any difference between women, men or children. He didn't say: "Well, kill only the ones who are idolaters and don't kill the little children that are innocent". Here's another proof for the difference between the Jewish nation and other nations.

There are races in the Universe and it's also written in the Torah: the different nationalities. Blacks are belong to one race, British belong to one race, Greeks belong to one race, Germans belong to one race etc etc. All of them are the children of Noach that spreaded in the Universe after the big flood and after the tower of Babylon.

Pay attention to the fact that God commanded us in the Torah not to marry people from other NATIONALITIES (RACES)! He doesn't talk about marrying people "from other religions" but forbid us to marry people who aren't belong to the Jewish race/nationality/family. A Jew isn't allowed to marry an Arab and it doesn't matter if the Arab is Christian or a Muslim or a Druse or whatever. If the Arab, as a one single man, wants to join the Jewish nation and he accepts the laws of the Jewish nationality then he is no longer belongs to the Arab race (even if he still has "Arab genes", yes, it sounds strange but this is how it is.)

Judaism is not racial. Judaism is something we are proud to do, not something we are proud to be. Judaism is our opportunity to attain holiness.

Jews are children of Jacob and a Jew is someone that his mother is Jewish. PERIOD! God commanded the 613 commandments only upon the children of Israel, children of one family. He didn't commanded these 613 commandments upon the ones who aren't belong to the Jewish nation.

Additionally, a Jew could also be someone who converted to Judaism. Proper and true converts to Judaism are accepted as full Jews. Thus, there are Jews who have been Black, Asian, whatever. I know many of them myself. Furthermore, there are many Jews from many backgrounds and many 'races', and often they don't look at all like people expect Jews to look (whatever look that is). It doesn't make a bit of difference. Race isn't a factor in being Jewish.

Indeed they can join the Jewish nation but as general - the Jews are belong to one nation and to one family (even if through the years Gentiles converted and joined the Jewish nation), but in general the Jews are a nation, the 3 million that were taken out of Egypt and we are talking about mass of people here and not about 30-40 Gentiles who join the Jewish nation each year.

Let me make this clear: Nowhere in the Torah, neither in the Written Torah or the Oral Torah, is there any indication that a Jew with so-called "pure" Jewish blood and DNA is in any way more meritorious than a true convert or the descendant of true converts. There is no such thing. It is not your blood or DNA that matters. It is what you do, and what you believe, not who your parents were. Either type of Jew can achieve the same level in the World to Come, depending on what they do in this world, not who they are.

You are not telling me anything new here thus you didn't had to bold it as if you are telling me things that I didn't know. Since a Gentile is accpeting the beliefs of the Jewish nation and since he is taking a commitment on himself to fulfil the basic commandments then he is the same Jew as a Jew who been such for hundreds of years.

To recapitulate... we do not keep Judaism because we have a racial identity as Jews. If anything, we probably shouldn't have a racial identity. We should have a religious identity. We keep Judaism because Hashem commanded us to. And He commanded us to teach our children to love and embrace Judaism. And so while being Jewish can be inherited, one can become Jewish as well.

There's no such thing as "religious" identity. As I've said before: Religions are invented by humans and are forced upon other humans to follow. There are English Christians, German Christians, Italian Chrsitians, Spanish Christians - They have no any genetic connection between them because Christianity is not a nation but a religion and since the Romans forced that religion 2000 years ago upon the people of Europe then these people "became" Christians. There are Jews in USA, in England, in Germany, in Japan because all of them were exiled to all of this places 2000 years afo from the land of Israel and all of them have genetic connection to each other.

God see the children of Israel as a nation. A nation has a homeland and has a house to live in. This house is the land of Israel. He commanded us to live in this land and he commanded us to be seperated from the Gentiles in this land. There are 70 different nations (races!) in this world apart from the Jewish nation/race.

Christianity and Islam which are religions (non of them are the true words of God and both of these "religions" were invented by humans and were spreaded by humans. Non Jews should follow the 7 laws of Noach as written in the Torah that even you are queting from...) aren't nations but religions. There's no such thing as a "Christian nation", there is no such thing as "Muslim nation". There is Christian religion and Muslim religion. There's Jewish nation and there is no such thing as "Jewish religion" (although it's very common to use Judaism as a "religion" but it doesn't says that it's correct). These 2 religions (Christianity and Islam) DOESN'T have homelands. (Only God is the one who declare who will live where and God was the one who seperated the children of Noach to their countries. Christians are all over the world, Muslims are all over the world, the children of Israel AREN'T! They have a place of thier own, a home of their family, the fact that the children of Israel (Jews) have A homeland is another proof that Jews are nationality.

If there are Jews who are living in America (and they are there only because they were exiled from their HOMELAND 2000 years ago) and are they are torn between their Jewish nationality to their identifying (from many reasons - the most common one is self hatred) with the state that they are living in (like the Reforms in Germany felt) then it doesn't says that they can say (in the name of all the Jews) that Judaism is a religion and not a race/nationality. No way they can!

 

[Tashah]

So what? Even Amalek and Esau have genetic relations to the children of Israel and God commanded to destroy Amalek completely and according the Jewish belief the seed (race) of Amalek will be destroyed completely in the end of time. So what are you saying? That since we all the children of Adam and Eve then we can live all together? Do you want to live together with Amalek? Do you want to live together with Nazis? Just in the name of Multi-cultorism or what ever the name of it? God doesn't want you to live amongst Gentiles, if he wanted then he wouldn't let us out of Egypt and wouldn't commanded us to live in Israel. Not to mention the fact that God have said in his own words that he is seperating us from the Gentiles.

What about Amalek? Doesn't the Torah command us to kill them out? Isn't that racial? Isn't that commanding us to perform the evil of genocide?

The answer is no. The Commandment to kill out Amalek is not racially based. In the first place, there have been Amalekite converts to Judaism, as we find in the Bible. In the second place, the Commandment to kill out the nation of Amalek is a Commandment of self-defense. The Amalek nation dedicated themselves to destroying the Nation of Israel (on religious grounds, mind you -- they were militant atheists). Race had nothing to do with this Torah story. If you are going to use Torah... then understand the correct interpretation.

There are races in the Universe and it's also written in the Torah: the different nationalities. Blacks are belong to one race, British belong to one race, Greeks belong to one race, Germans belong to one race etc etc. All of them are the children of Noach that spreaded in the Universe after the big flood and after the tower of Babylon.

Not only do you not comprehend Torah, you also have no viable knowledge of the definition of race, ethnicity, culture, genetics, genetic mutations, and nationalism. How could one educated in Israel be so berift of common knowledge?

Pay attention to the fact that God commanded us in the Torah not to marry people from other NATIONALITIES (RACES)! He doesn't talk about marrying people "from other religions" but forbid us to marry people who aren't belong to the Jewish race/nationality/family. A Jew isn't allowed to marry an Arab and it doesn't matter if the Arab is Christian or a Muslim or a Druse or whatever. If the Arab, as a one single man, wants to join the Jewish nation and he accepts the laws of the Jewish nationality then he is no longer belongs to the Arab race (even if he still has "Arab genes", yes, it sounds strange but this is how it is.)

Let's examine what the Torah says about marrying a Gentile:

When Hashem your G-d brings you to the land you are going to inherit, and many nations fall before you: the Hittites, the Gersonites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Prezites, the Chivites, the Jevusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you; Hashem your G-d will hand them over to you, and you will strike at them. You must shun them utterly, you may not sign a treaty with them. You may not marry them. Do not give your daughter to a Gentile's son, and do not take his daughters for your son. For if you do they will remove your sons from worshiping Me, and they will worship other gods. The result will be that Hashem will be angry with you and he will destroy you quickly.... For you are a holy nation [i.e., exclusively] for Hashem. Hashem your G-d chose you from all the nations on the earth, to be His special people. Hashem desired and chose you not because you had greater numbers than all the other nations, for you are the smallest of all the nations. It was because Hashem loves you, and because He kept His promise to your forefathers, that Hashem took you, with a strong hand, and rescued you from slavery, from the clutches of Pharaoh the king of Egypt.

-- Deuteronomy 7:1-8

Read it carefully, as the Torah is meant to be studied. The point I wish to focus on is the verse that says that if we intermarry, our spouse will draw us away from Judaism. This is why marrying a true and proper convert is permitted, in most cases, because the convert is dedicated to Hashem and Judaism, and thus will not try to seduce us away from Judaism. A convert is a Jew. A Gentile, however (i.e. someone not born to a Jewish mother and who has not converted) might draw us away from Judaism. Religious fealty is the rationale for this injunction. Race is not an issue at all.

Jews are children of Jacob and a Jew is someone that his mother is Jewish. PERIOD!

Wrong. A convert does not have a Jewish matrilineal hertiage and yet a convert is accepted as being fully Jewish. Read your Commentaries.

God commanded the 613 commandments only upon the children of Israel, children of one family. He didn't commanded these 613 commandments upon the ones who aren't belong to the Jewish nation.

Wrong. Jewish religious commentary holds that all Jews must adhere to the commandments... not just those Jews with a certain chromosonial DNA. Read your word I have bolded above. nation refers to nationality, not race. Are negroid Falasha not Jews bound by the commandments? You do not understand the terms you are using in your diatribes.

Indeed they can join the Jewish nation but as general - the Jews are belong to one nation and to one family (even if through the years Gentiles converted and joined the Jewish nation), but in general the Jews are a nation, the 3 million that were taken out of Egypt and we are talking about mass of people here and not about 30-40 Gentiles who join the Jewish nation each year.

Is that so? Then prove to me that you yourself possess pre-exilic Israelite DNA. Can you do this? If you cannot, then you cannot prove at all that you are a descendent of the Israelite nation who waited on Moshe at Mount Sinai. At best, all you can put forth is that X number of your matrilineal lineage were known to be Jewish women. You see Ya'akov, your own racism works against you here.

There's no such thing as "religious" identity. As I've said before: Religions are invented by humans and are forced upon other humans to follow.

Was the Judaic religion invented by humans?

God see the children of Israel as a nation. A nation has a homeland and has a house to live in. This house is the land of Israel. He commanded us to live in this land and he commanded us to be seperated from the Gentiles in this land. There are 70 different nations (races!) in this world apart from the Jewish nation/race.

There are only four distinct races of humanity. Please educate yourself.

If there are Jews who are living in America (and they are there only because they were exiled from their HOMELAND 2000 years ago) and are they are torn between their Jewish nationality to their identifying (from many reasons - the most common one is self hatred) with the state that they are living in (like the Reforms in Germany felt) then it doesn't says that they can say (in the name of all the Jews) that Judaism is a religion and not a race/nationality. No way they can!

I am Jewish, well educated, multi-linguistic, and have read Torah and the Commentaries many times. I disagree with you on many many points. You do not conceptually understand the terms you are tossing about. You interpret Torah as a staunch literalist rather than realizing that Torah has many interpretive layers. That is what makes Torah so fascinating, as it reveals hidden truths depending on how you connect the Hebrew text to root variations. You do not fully appreciate the semantic and definitive differences between religion, race, tribe, and nationality. In your misguided quest to claim a moral superiority, you actually diminish the intrinsic beauty of Judaism. How sad that you cannot grasp this.

You may disagree with me as you will Ya'akov. But the next time you directly or implicitly insult me will also be the last time you do so. Ponder this warning carefully and construct your responsa accordingly.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Not true!

A definition of a Jew is someone who was born to a Jewish mother. Jews are people of the Judah tribe, Jews are a group/race/nation. Indeed there are people who aren't belong to the Jewish nation/race of people and they wanted to join the Jewish nation so they accepted to believe in that things that Jews believe. Their numbers are very very law. Most of the Gentiles who are converting to Judaism are doing it because of love affairs to Jewish man or a female. But the children of Israel are not people of a religion, they are a group of people that were been taken out of slavery in ancient Egypt and were forced to behave in some kind of behaviour by God who forced them.

It's very common for the Reform Jews to consider themselves as religion and not a race. I've seen a very informative video, presented by the Israeli Rabbi Yossef Ben Porat and in this video he is saying that the reform organization was established in the begining of the 19th centrury in Germany by Jews that wanted to assimilated with the Gentiles and to abandon their heritage and their commandments. These Reform Jews have erased the prayers for Jerusalem from the Jewish prayer books and they said that Germany is the home of the Jews and that the Jews will never come back to Israel. They are the ones who established the "Education movement" in Germany, a movement that all it's aim was to be like the Germans. When Adolf Hitler talked about the Jewish problem in Europe, then those Reform Jews have said: "Relax, he doesn't talk about us, we aren't Jews, we are Germans, he talks about the Jews of East Europe". What these Reforms didn't know is that they were the first to be sent to the concentration camps and to the death camps.

A Jew is not a person who belongs to a religion. A Jew will be a Jew forever. Judaism is a nation of people who were taken out of slavery in Egypt and were forced to behave in some kind of behaviour.

God is saying many times in the Torah that he seperated us from the Gentiels, if not then there is no point in a Jewish nation. It doesn't matter how a Jew define himself: religious, secular, athiest or even if he will abandon his belief and will believe in something else - a Jew will be a Jew forever, in the eyes of God who is judging him everyday and also in the eyes of the Gentiles that he is living amongst (whom he thinks that they will think that he is not Jewish if he will tell them that he doesn't believe in the Jewish history, like Chompsky and all the other self hatred Jews are doing...)

The ones who are saying that Judaism isn't a nation/race are self hatred Jews or complete ignorant!

I'm not sure whether to refute you here or on the other thread we are arguing the same thing. Since Tashah is doing a nice job, here, I'll go there.

 

[laska]

Happy hanakkuh and merry christmas to everyone!
I just love Tashah and highly respect Judaism. As many of you know I am a Mormon and thought I would share some verses from the Book of Mormon that is related to the discussion.

30 And notwithstanding they being led, the Lord their God, their Redeemer, going before them, leading them by day and giving light unto them by night, and doing all things for them which were expedient for man to receive, they hardened their hearts and blinded their minds, and reviled against Moses and against the true and living God. 31 And it came to pass that according to his word he did destroy them; and according to his word he did lead them; and according to his word he did do all things for them; and there was not any thing done save it were by his word.

32 And after they had crossed the river Jordan he did make them mighty unto the driving out of the children of the land, yea, unto the scattering them to destruction.

33 And now, do ye suppose that the children of this land, who were in the land of promise, who were driven out by our fathers, do ye suppose that they were righteous? Behold, I say unto you, Nay.

34 Do ye suppose that our fathers would have been more choice than they if they had been righteous? I say unto you, Nay.

35 Behold, the Lord esteemeth all flesh in one; he that is righteous is favored of God. But behold, this people had rejected every word of God, and they were ripe in iniquity; and the fulness of the wrath of God was upon them; and the Lord did curse the land against them, and bless it unto our fathers; yea, he did curse it against them unto their destruction, and he did bless it unto our fathers unto their obtaining power over it.

36 Behold, the Lord hath created the earth that it should be inhabited; and he hath created his children that they should possess it.

37 And he raiseth up a righteous nation, and destroyeth the nations of the wicked.

38 And he leadeth away the righteous into precious lands and the wicked he destroyeth, and curseth the land unto them for their sakes.

39 He ruleth high in the heavens, for it is his throne, and this earth is his footstool.

40 And he loveth those who will have him to be their God. Behold, he loved our fathers, and he covenanted with them, yea, even Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; and he remembered the covenants which he had made; wherefore, he did bring them out of the land of Egypt. (1 Nephi 17:30-40)





For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile. (2 Nephi 26:33)

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Your intense prejudice to anyone or anything that doesn't exactly agree with your made up nonsense always makes me laugh, so thanks for the giggle.

That's exactly what people say about you.

 

[Navy Pride]

That's exactly what people say about you.

Amen my friend, Amen........

 

[Skip]

That's exactly what people say about you.

Amen my friend, Amen........

In other news, the pot was overheard calling the kettle black today.

 

[The face of Jacob]

I entered this post only now.

Not only do you not comprehend Torah, you also have no viable knowledge of the definition of race, ethnicity, culture, genetics, genetic mutations, and nationalism. How could one educated in Israel be so berift of common knowledge?

Another empty words which are shouted in the air. The things I've said here are true. Try to contradict them, ha? You didn't! Just told me that I don't understand, lol... There are 70 nations in the world, all of them are decsendants of Noach, each one of them established a state of his own.

Let's examine what the Torah says about marrying a Gentile:

Read it carefully, as the Torah is meant to be studied. The point I wish to focus on is the verse that says that if we intermarry, our spouse will draw us away from Judaism. This is why marrying a true and proper convert is permitted, in most cases, because the convert is dedicated to Hashem and Judaism, and thus will not try to seduce us away from Judaism. A convert is a Jew. A Gentile, however (i.e. someone not born to a Jewish mother and who has not converted) might draw us away from Judaism. Religious fealty is the rationale for this injunction. Race is not an issue at all.

Your problem is that you think that from this paragraph you can teach us all about the Gentiles that wish to join to the Jewish nation whilst you don't understand that this process is much much more complicated than you think and all the Giur process is based upon rulling of Rabbis. Not everybody who wish to join the Jewish nation is accepted, there are many incidents in which the Rabbis prefer that the Gentiles will follow the 7 laws rather to accept him. In the Israeli Wikipedia it's written that:

In the Sages of blessed memory we can find 2 voices regarding the position of the Gerim. From one side we can find expressions like "The Gerim are hard for Israel as a psoriasis" (Talmud Bavly, Yabamot 47-2) and in other side the Gerim Zedek are mentioned together with the saintly and the hassids and the writters in the nation of Israel that the one who is praying is ask for merci for them. The continue of this debate is in the question if a Ger can say in the Parsha Mikra Bikurim the sentence: "Our God and the God of our fathers" or is it that the fathers of the nation - Abraham, Isaac and Yaakov, are consider to be his ancestors (Mishna, Masechet Bikurim, 1-4). The opinion of the Mishna is that the Ger brings Bikurim (first fruits) but he isn't reading, but in the Talmud Yerushalmi there's the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda that a Ger brings the Bikurim and he is allowed to read it and the fathers of the nation are consider to be his fathers also. In the main dabate there is the issue if the Jewish nation is a family that carries a genetic information from one generation to another and the Ger isn't part of this family or is it that the Jewish family is created because of sharing of ideas and common values and above all the belief in one God that taught the Torah to the nation of Israel and to the whole world. Rabbi Yehuda Halevi is showing in a clear way in the book HaKuzari the approach that the friendship in the Jewish nation is an internal "family" issue which relates, according to him, to a specialness that rans in the nation of Israel from a generation to generation since first Adam through Noach and the 3 fathers: Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and this is what he says: "And all the ones who will arrive to us from the forearms in particular will arrive because of the favor that God did to us, but he will not be equal with us." and in the other hand, Rambam is writting to Ovadia Ger Zedek that: "There is no difference at all between you and me... (the 3 dots are the origin) and your origin shouldn't be less in your opinion....If we are relating to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob then you are relating to the one who said that the world was." The approach of Rabbi Yehuda Halevi was the main approach in the Kabbalah untill the time that the Kabbalah of the Haa"ri (Rabbi Yitzhak Loria) spreaded. The teaching of Haar"i, with the main emphasis on the "raising of the shinnings", saw in the souls of the Gerim as souls that in the basis of them they are souls of Israel that were rolling in the nations (which means origin Israeli souls that could have been assimilated etc) and according this teaching the process of the Giur is a process in which souls that carry the specialness of Israel are returning to the Jewish nation

Did you read this? They are returning souls!

Wrong. A convert does not have a Jewish matrilineal hertiage and yet a convert is accepted as being fully Jewish. Read your Commentaries.

Wrong! Read my post above!

You may disagree with me as you will Ya'akov. But the next time you directly or implicitly insult me will also be the last time you do so. Ponder this warning carefully and construct your responsa accordingly.

Where did I insult you? And my name isn't Yaakov so stop call me in this name!

This debate is if Judaism is a nation or a religion. I proved that Judaism is a nation and not a religion, but you didn't relate to the most of the points I've made. Please don't teach me about the history of the Jewish nation and about the faith of the Jewish nation. I was born in Israel and I was raised in Israel and I learned the history of Israel and the faith of the Jewish nation in Hebrew. I don't know to which movement you are belong to but I can assure you that you are the last one who can teach me anything about those issues!

 

[The face of Jacob]

Continued:

Wrong. A convert does not have a Jewish matrilineal hertiage and yet a convert is accepted as being fully Jewish. Read your Commentaries.

Wrong. A convert isn't called a Jew but a Ger Zedek or Ger. The son of the Ger (if he will marry a Jewish woman or a Jewish man) will be called a Jew.

Wrong. Jewish religious commentary holds that all Jews must adhere to the commandments... not just those Jews with a certain chromosonial DNA. Read your word I have bolded above. nation refers to nationality, not race. Are negroid Falasha not Jews bound by the commandments? You do not understand the terms you are using in your diatribes.

The Jewish nation are the descendatns of one man, thus Judaism is an ethnic group with a certain chromosonial DNA, go and read my quote from Israeli Wikipedia above and go and read also the post I made about the DNA of the Cohanim in the religion forum, in the thread about the DNA. Different nations are different ethnic groups and they have different genetics (although there are some small minority in every country that owned by each one of the nations). The negroid Falasha aren't Jews and they will have to do a convertion and they are into a convertion these days thus they weren't Jews, and if they will do a convertion then they will be Ger Zedek.

What's Am (Hebrew) then? Am referes to an ethnic group. Am Yisrael is the people who are the children of Israel. Israel is Jacob.

BTW, did you know that the Reform movement in America don't require from the Gerim to do ritual immersion in a mikveh, circumcision, or acceptance of mitzvot as normative? As such, all Reform conversions are rejected as not being conversions by Orthodox Judaism. (According Wikipedia).