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Smugglers Cutting Through The Border Wall.

ttwtt78640 said:
That (bolded above) is a good idea, but would require eVerify and changes to the federal income tax code. Require employers (those who issue W-2 or 1099 documents) to include the employee’s name, address and SSN and the amount of direct labor to be deducted for that person. IRS would then run an eVerify check - allowing deduction of only the direct labor costs of employees or independent contractors who passed an (IRS conducted) eVerify check.
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So be it. A real solution is going to costs us all to make happen.
 
SCrider said:
So be it. A real solution is going to costs us all to make happen.
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Some far more than others, but that’s true of most government regulation and its adequate enforcement.
 
rhinefire said:
The U.S. govt. has spent 2.5 million dollars repairing the 3,272 cases of smugglers simply sawing through Trump's wall. Hey Donnie Boy! Whoops!
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Criminal activity. Make the criminals pay for the repairs! Easy....

Biden has all the border patrol agents babysitting now.
No one to patrol the wall.
 
The "build a wall" shtick was always just a simplistic thing to get the derp crowd all riled up. They can't understand the complexities of why it won't work, they just like simplistic solutions for simpletons...
 
Mycroft said:
So...instead of spending a trillion per year...exaggeration, btw...you would rather spend a trillion per year dealing with the illegal aliens you want to let walk across the border.

Doesn't sound so smart to me.
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1. That's not an exaggeration. It's a low-end number, based on the length of the border.

2. Illegal aliens are in fact a net benefit to the economy in terms of dollars, for all the wrong reasons.
 
beefheart said:
The "build a wall" shtick was always just a simplistic thing to get the derp crowd all riled up. They can't understand the complexities of why it won't work, they just like simplistic solutions for simpletons...
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It's obvious by the posts from that crowd....
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Criminal activity. Make the criminals pay for the repairs! Easy....

Biden has all the border patrol agents babysitting now.
No one to patrol the wall.
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you actually believe this, don't you?
 
Luce said:
Yeah, but I haven't been a kid for a really long time.

If they are totally non-functional? Yeah, they shouldn't be used.
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If a "security" device does not work is it a security device?
we all had the Club on our steering wheels for a while and then realized that they were worthless.
 
SCrider said:
If a "security" device does not work is it a security device?
we all had the Club on our steering wheels for a while and then realized that they were worthless.
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The wall is a way to transfer funds from the treasury to contractors, on a permanent basis.

That's it. That's all it does.
 
Luce said:
Yeah, but I haven't been a kid for a really long time.

If they are totally non-functional? Yeah, they shouldn't be used.
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Totally non-functional and can be defeated with the proper tools are not the same thing.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Totally non-functional and can be defeated with the proper tools are not the same thing.
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If it's way the hell out in the desert and can't be patrolled, it's totally non-functional.

A static defense is useless. An unmanned static defense is less than useless. It's counterproductive.
 
Luce said:
If it's way the hell out in the desert and can't be patrolled, it's totally non-functional.

A static defense is useless. An unmanned static defense is less than useless. It's counterproductive.
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The reason the border wall is unmanned is that those who should be manning it are busy doing paperwork and babysitting.
 
Luce said:
In Naco, AZ, the wall is cut through (either to bypass it or to sell it for scrap) 3 times per day, on average.
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Money spent putting up a steel anti-immigrant wall __________________________$10-12M
Maintaining and patrolling the wall__________________________________________ $5M
Making repairs to wall ______________________________________________________$2.5 M
Mexicans cutting chunks out of Trump's wall and selling it for scrap metal?______ Priceless
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The reason the border wall is unmanned is that those who should be manning it are busy doing paperwork and babysitting.
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They are not. CPB is busy as hell here, between all 9 border crossings.

Staffing the wall would take a bare minimum of 6000 people, given one person per mile and 3 shifts, but policy dictates working pairs, so 12,000 people. Plus all the infrastructure, vehicles, fuel, supervisors, and HR requirements.

There are not 12,000 CPB people "babysitting". Not sure where you guys get that bullshit.

And that is just having two people per mile, which isn't realistic in Arizona or New Mexico (call it about 8 people per mile), though it might be in Texas, I don't know.
 
Luce said:
They are not. CPB is busy as hell here, between all 9 border crossings.

Staffing the wall would take a bare minimum of 6000 people, given one person per mile and 3 shifts, but policy dictates working pairs, so 12,000 people. Plus all the infrastructure, vehicles, fuel, supervisors, and HR requirements.

There are not 12,000 CPB people "babysitting". Not sure where you guys get that bullshit.

And that is just having two people per mile, which isn't realistic in Arizona or New Mexico (call it about 8 people per mile), though it might be in Texas, I don't know.
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We had no problem getting and keeping 50K federal airport nannies in place.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
We had no problem getting and keeping 50K federal airport nannies in place.
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How much infrastructure, vehicles, etc, did that require?

Also, I'm curious as to where these 12,000+ CPB agents are babysitting people.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Decent childcare is not dumping your kids into a foreign country.
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By which you mean "Having goons forcibly separate your family so that a fat bag of shit can make some political hay"?
 
Luce said:
How much infrastructure, vehicles, etc, did that require?

Also, I'm curious as to where these 12,000+ CPB agents are babysitting people.
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Hmm…

In some sectors, the U.S. Border Patrol diverted up to 60% of its agents from the border security mission to care for families and children, significantly reducing agents’ presence on the border.
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Border Crisis: CBP’s Response

Securing America's Borders
www.cbp.gov
 
SCrider said:
You are not serious because just said you disagree with out even addressing anything.
You only read the reason I gave, not the solution, which is cut off the opportunity. Meaning go after those that employee and attract illegal immigration in the first place.
But of course that will come with a huge cost to all of us, so are you serious or not?
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Right, let's force employers into becoming ICE agents while the Federal government does nothing to protect our borders. Gee, after the regime of harsh employer punishment goes into effect do you think Juan will get equal consideration with John? No, the employer wants to stay out of jail.

The e-verify system only comes into play after the applicant is hired. The employer is required to invest in the new hire while the verification process works. Brilliant.

But don't worry, illegal aliens don't have to work thanks to the generous welfare state with a extra level bonus for anchor babies.
 
AZRWinger said:
Right, let's force employers into becoming ICE agents while the Federal government does nothing to protect our borders. Gee, after the regime of harsh employer punishment goes into effect do you think Juan will get equal consideration with John? No, the employer wants to stay out of jail.

The e-verify system only comes into play after the applicant is hired. The employer is required to invest in the new hire while the verification process works. Brilliant.

But don't worry, illegal aliens don't have to work thanks to the generous welfare state with a extra level bonus for anchor babies.
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LOL.

There is no generous ‘welfare state’ for undocumented immigrants.
 
SCrider said:
Why, so they can spend billions to build another joke of a wall?
want to cut off illegal immigration? Go after those who hire them. no jobs no workers coming here.
yeah, Republicans say a lot of things, real action is their problem.
How scary for you........
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We should go after the government too!

Unauthorized Immigrants​

2/24/2014
In general, unauthorized immigrants within the United States are not eligible for any federal public benefits, except:
  • Emergency medical treatment under Medicaid, if the individual otherwise meets the eligibility requirements and the medical condition is not related to an organ transplant procedure
  • Immunizations for immunizable diseases and testing for and treatment of symptoms of communicable diseases (does not include assistance from Medicaid)
  • Short-term, non-cash, in-kind emergency disaster relief
  • Programs, services, or assistance that deliver in-kind services at the community level, do not have conditions for assistance on the recipients’ income or resources, and are necessary for the protection of life and safety
    • Includes access to soup kitchens, crisis counseling and intervention, short-term shelter, mental health services, and child and adult protective services
  • To the extent that an immigrant was receiving assistance on 8/22/96, programs for housing, community development, or financial assistance administered by the HUD Secretary, which include:
    • Financial assistance in rural areas to farmers, owners, developers, and the elderly for loan insurance, the purchase of property, housing for trainees, and low rent housing for farm workers under title V of the Housing Act of 1949
    • Loans and grants for water access and waste treatment to alleviate health risks under Section 306C of the Consolidated Farm and Rural Development Act
    • Free public education for grades K-12
    • Federally subsidized school lunch and school breakfast programs for individuals eligible for free public education under state or local law
    • At state option, medical coverage under SCHIP, including prenatal care and delivery services, for unborn children who meet other program eligibility criteria
  • Note: Exceptions 2 and 3 above only grant access to disaster relief and emergency assistance for the protection of life and safety, and do not extend to non-emergency aid based on each recipient’s need.

    Unauthorized immigrants are eligible for the following nutrition assistance programs:
    • Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC)
    • Child and Adult Care Food Program (CACFP)
    • Summer Food Service program
    • Special Milk program
    • Commodity Supplemental Food Program (CSFP)
    • The Emergency Food Assistance Program (TEFAP)
    • Food Distribution Program on Indian Reservations (FDPIR)

I get a kick out of the free public education. My school taxes, that are sky high, and I struggle to pay at times, cover that. Got to say, that ticks me off a little.

Federal Benefit Eligibility for Unauthorized Immigrants

Unauthorized immigrants in the United States are not eligible for federal public benefits, with exceptions for certain emergency assistance, nutrition, and K-12 education.
www.ncsl.org
 
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