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I think we do know whether he'd have been good or not. He's had five years now to get picked up by a team who's job it is to find and play the best players in the NFL. He couldn't start over Sanchez. He couldn't win a 3rd string job over Matt Barkley. Of the 32 teams whose jobs it is to find the best football talent, none of them deemed him worthy enough to play for them despite a big sample of Tebow's skills. Manning, Young, and Aikman of course had rough starts to their careers, but they all had the obvious talent that propelled them to being #1 picks in their various drafts in the first place. To say we'll never know what Tebow could have been because of their bad starts is to say we'll never know what any player could have been, and I just think that isn't true.

Kurt Warner was playing arena football. Experts get things wrong all the time. Your comment about not starting Tebow over Sanchez 100% proves that correct. Sanchez was horrible, HORRIBLE. There was no winning play there, 0. So guess what a smart owner/manager would have done? Put Tebow in, because it would have been impossible to do worse than Sanchez and Tebow would have at least sold tickets.

That's comment/example supports my position more than detracts from it.

 

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Lack of opportunity doesn't mean anything. Kurt Warner was stocking grocery shelves and playing arena football before he got picked up and he did a damn good job.

Lack of opportunity? He was on the JETS, a team who was desperate for a QB, and Tebow still didn't get any playing time. During the week in practice he showed nothing, and was so bad he couldn't get on the field on Sundays. He didn't grasp the play book, he couldn't read defenses, he couldn't throw.

He had plenty of 'opportunity'. But he did nothing to warrant even a desperate team like the Jets to take a chance on him.

Warner had some talent and took advantage of his opportunity. Tebow did not, he showed nothing because he had no talent.

And even now. There's plenty of teams who need a QB, but he doesn't get a call? All 32 teams can't be wrong.

 

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Kurt Warner was playing arena football. Experts get things wrong all the time. Your comment about not starting Tebow over Sanchez 100% proves that correct. Sanchez was horrible, HORRIBLE. There was no winning play there, 0. So guess what a smart owner/manager would have done? Put Tebow in, because it would have been impossible to do worse than Sanchez and Tebow would have at least sold tickets.

That's comment/example supports my position more than detracts from it.

1. Yes. Experts do make mistakes. But the vast, overwhelming majority of the time they don't. Just look at the last pro-bowl. 29 out of 44 starters were first round picks. 42 out of 44 players drafted, one of the two not being a fullback. NFL teams are very, very good at identifying NFL talent. And there's probably a 1% chance at most that any player not given a chance to be on an NFL team could be a capable starter.

2. Warner is not a good parallel. Warner did play for the Iowa Barnstormers. But before that he was only a starter for one season on an FCS team. He never had scouts constantly scrutinizing his performances and talent, but once he did, they realized he could be an NFL starter. Tebow has had NFL scouts watching and analyzing him for years. He had it during all four years at Florida and every year he attempted to make a team since then. They have apparently found he lacks the necessary talent.

3. It is possible for a quarterback to play worse than Mark Sanchez did in 2012. They could have had the numbers Tebow had in 2011.

 

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Lack of opportunity? He was on the JETS, a team who was desperate for a QB, and Tebow still didn't get any playing time. During the week in practice he showed nothing, and was so bad he couldn't get on the field on Sundays. He didn't grasp the play book, he couldn't read defenses, he couldn't throw.

He had plenty of 'opportunity'. But he did nothing to warrant even a desperate team like the Jets to take a chance on him.

Warner had some talent and took advantage of his opportunity. Tebow did not, he showed nothing because he had no talent.

And even now. There's plenty of teams who need a QB, but he doesn't get a call? All 32 teams can't be wrong.

Again, your Jets example only supports me. The management should do what is best for the future of the team. There was nothing gained by keeping Sanchez as QB but starting Tebow would have sold tickets and gained coverage and that = $$.

Stupid management call by the Jets that supports them not being very good at assessing the situation.

 

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Again, your Jets example only supports me. The management should do what is best for the future of the team. There was nothing gained by keeping Sanchez as QB but starting Tebow would have sold tickets and gained coverage and that = $$.

Stupid management call by the Jets that supports them not being very good at assessing the situation.

And because Tebow has been sitting home and no one has called him over the last few years that means the other 31 teams were all wrong and stupid too?

I have no idea why you think Tebow could have been a good NFL QB. He was given chances, and NO ONE in the NFL thinks he could make it as a QB. Some teams were even willing to give him a chance to be a TE, but he said NO. So he even had chances to maybe make it at other positions. But he didn't want to even try.

He didn't have the talent to make it as a QB, and he didn't want to try other positions. He did have opportunities. Sometimes when these athletes don't make it in the Pros it is THEIR fault. No one elses.

In this case it was 100% Tebows fault. It happens.