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CLAX1911 said:
Your reasoning doesn't make sense. the reason they killed socialists was because they were Nazis? Nazi means national Socialist.

So the reason why they were killing socialists was probably because they weren't national socialists.

this idea that socialists can never kill socialist is absurd it defies logic.
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Was Jason's answer too long for you to read? here are the words you rather obviously failed to see -
. . . by 1930 Hitler’s party was “socialist” only to take advantage of the emotional value of the word, and a “workers’ party” in order to lure the most energetic social force. As with Hitler’s protestations of belief in tradition, in conservative values, or in Christianity, the socialist slogans were merely movable ideological props to serve as camouflage and confuse the enemy.
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CLAX1911 said:
I'm still puzzled over the whole idea that socialists wouldn't kill other socialists.
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They are, for the very large part, untrustworthy. The breaking of the Stalin/Hitler pact may be best known but it continues in small but important ways also. It's easy to see many of these former children who are so very ignorant on history, even recent history, but all we can do is shrug our shoulders and try to get our children to a private school. School Teacher: We Don't Want You to Know the Radical Stuff We've Been Teaching Your Kids
 
Somerville said:
-. . . by 1930 Hitler’s party was “socialist” only to take advantage of the emotional value of the word, and a “workers’ party” in order to lure the most energetic social force. As with Hitler’s protestations of belief in tradition, in conservative values, or in Christianity, the socialist slogans were merely movable ideological props to serve as camouflage and confuse the enemy.
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Yes, Socialism is an emotional word and has been used by unscrupulous politicians for generations to rope in the more stupid members of a nation in order to get their support. And of course they can adapt the meaning of socialism to promise anything they want it to mean. They often narrow the meaning down to simple slogans such as 'Tax The Rich' so that even the most simple minded among them can more easily understand.

Knowledge is easy to come by, with some effort, but followers of Socialism will always censor themselves as to what they can read because every alternative to them is 'right wing' or 'extreme right wing'. which they know to be wrong. Thus many will go through their lives in ignorance, victims of their own 'emotions'.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Your reasoning doesn't make sense. the reason they killed socialists was because they were Nazis? Nazi means national Socialist.

So the reason why they were killing socialists was probably because they weren't national socialists.

this idea that socialists can never kill socialist is absurd it defies logic.
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The indoctrinated can argue forever what 'real' Socialism, or 'real' Communism means and each side will be right. It is an emotion, a vague idea that somewhere, somehow, there is a more fair and just world, and politicians can bring that world to life.

They tend to know more, in their minds, what right wing is (it's evil!) but little knowledge of what left wing actually is.
 
Jason Warfield said:
Yes, because the reason why they killed socialists was because the Nazis were not socialists.
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Certainly they were Socialists but they were not the right kind of Socialists to other Socialists who had their own opinions of what Socialism should be. It was the same with 'Big Brother' Communism.

Every time Socialism fails they deny it was real Socialism.
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
They are, for the very large part, untrustworthy. The breaking of the Stalin/Hitler pact may be best known but it continues in small but important ways also. It's easy to see many of these former children who are so very ignorant on history, even recent history, but all we can do is shrug our shoulders and try to get our children to a private school. School Teacher: We Don't Want You to Know the Radical Stuff We've Been Teaching Your Kids
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Those are a couple teachers that need to be fired and investigated. I'd be at the school board. I guess that's why they are worried, they should be.
 
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Fred C Dobbs II said:
The indoctrinated can argue forever what 'real' Socialism, or 'real' Communism means and each side will be right. It is an emotion, a vague idea that somewhere, somehow, there is a more fair and just world, and politicians can bring that world to life.

They tend to know more, in their minds, what right wing is (it's evil!) but little knowledge of what left wing actually is.
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Isn't that how socialist regimes coming to power on the ignorance of their people?
 
CLAX1911 said:
Yes normally when someone is so wrong for so long I don't read all the crap.
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Great way to learn about those you see as opponents - just ignore every word they put in front of you. Having the opposite attitude about political opponents is why I subscribe to a couple of those rightie 'newsletters' and listen to 'conservative' radio.
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
The indoctrinated can argue forever what 'real' Socialism, or 'real' Communism means and each side will be right. It is an emotion, a vague idea that somewhere, somehow, there is a more fair and just world, and politicians can bring that world to life.

They tend to know more, in their minds, what right wing is (it's evil!) but little knowledge of what left wing actually is.
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Fred C Dobbs II said:
Certainly they were Socialists but they were not the right kind of Socialists to other Socialists who had their own opinions of what Socialism should be. It was the same with 'Big Brother' Communism.

Every time Socialism fails they deny it was real Socialism.
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Historical ignorance while claiming otherwise is not the way for the conversation to move forward. Try reading a bit more, for instance The Coming of the Third Reich by Richard Evans:

The ‘National Socialists’ wanted to unite the two political camps of left and right into which, they argued, the Jews had manipulated the German nation. The basis for this was to be the idea of race. This was light years removed from the class-based ideology of socialism. […]

By presenting itself as a ‘movement’, National Socialism, like the labour movement, advertised its opposition to conventional politics and its intention to subvert and ultimately overthrow the system within which it was initially forced to work.

By replacing class with race, and the dictatorship of the proletariat with the dictatorship of the leader, Nazism reversed the usual terms of socialist ideology.
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If the Nazis were truly socialist in their ideology, why did so many capitalists support them?

from the Wiki page on Nazism
German business leaders disliked Nazi ideology but came to support Hitler, because they saw the Nazis as a useful ally to promote their interests. Business groups made significant financial contributions to the Nazi Party both before and after the Nazi seizure of power, in the hope that a Nazi dictatorship would eliminate the organized labour movement and the left-wing parties
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"significant financial contributions" and "eliminate organized labour" - nothing like this is happening in America today, now is it? :roll:
 
Somerville said:
Great way to learn about those you see as opponents - just ignore every word they put in front of you. Having the opposite attitude about political opponents is why I subscribe to a couple of those rightie 'newsletters' and listen to 'conservative' radio.
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I don't waste time reading garbage.
 
Thread is now about which side the Nazis were on.

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Somerville said:
If the Nazis were truly socialist in their ideology, why did so many capitalists support them?
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Why would the poor support Socialism? To make them rich? And the rich would support Socialism to keep them rich. And powerful. Hollywood certainly supports Socialism but what do you suppose that means to them? Do you really believe they'd willing give up their wealth and privilege?

Who were the wealthy in Communism and and Nazism? It was the government, the bureaucrats, those in charge, much like during the time when Royalty was most powerful in Europe. But the idea of America changed all that, where business people could become wealthy without have any royal connections or social status. It did become truly the land of opportunity. And, what's more, being in charge didn't last forever. It was the people's choice.
from the Wiki page on Nazism "significant financial contributions" and "eliminate organized labour" - nothing like this is happening in America today, now is it?
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Make your argument on your own. What do you have to say about organized labor and how it relates to Communism, Nazism or Socialism?
 
CLAX1911 said:
Isn't that how socialist regimes coming to power on the ignorance of their people?
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And because they have no clear idea what 'Socialism' is they'll happily support it. We all want to be more Sociable, just like one big family. We'll all share what we have. Love is in the air.
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
And because they have no clear idea what 'Socialism' is they'll happily support it. We all want to be more Sociable, just like one big family. We'll all share what we have. Love is in the air.
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Focus on the sunshine and flowers forget the gulag.
 
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