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Simple question about January 6th participants

independentusa said:
In your opinion, were they patriots, just rioters or there to stop the congress from naming Biden president?
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In my opinion they started as political rally attendees, evolved into political protestors when they went to the Capital grounds, and, unfortunately, some became trespassers and another subset became rioters, most were not rioters.

I reject claims of their being insurrectionists, as there was no central control, planning or organization, with the exception of a few - which were appropriately charged and sentenced. The vast majority of the rest was more a mass of people.

I reject claims of their trying to conduct a coup, to overthrow the government, as, again, there was no viable plan or actions which would effectively accomplish this.

Those to claim the above to be factual, or claim other charges, are doing so strictly for cynical political motivations in my view, enabling their pushing of their demanded false political narrative, essentially politically motivated propaganda and gaslighting. Essentially the same thing as Pelosi's 1/6 Select Committee, which showed only the 1/2 of the story that they wanted to show, and tried to pass it off as the whole truth, which it wasn't.

I'm sure there are quite a few forum members who would disagree. That's fine.
Hey, it's a free country with free speech, at least for now, until the left outlaws those free speech and free thought.
 
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No…. You see… Trump in his four years personally handpicked a Freedom Loving Patriot task force within the FBI. They were the ones who were employed by Trump to get the crowd to the Capitol and they were the ones who … in Trump’s name… tried to stop the Electoral count for the sake of the country.… being true patriots and all
 

So why hasn't the FBI arrested Epps?
 
M1Gringo said:
Why hasn't Ray Epps been arrested?

Why did the Capitol Police unlock the doors to the Capitol?
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Stop watching Fox news and right wing media.

They are lying to you.

Patriotism requires that you stop being so gullible.
 
It was the Patriots that bust open the windows of the Capitol comrade.
 
The FBI both hates Trump and tried keeping him in power.

CTers don't think anything through.
 

There are videos of Ray Epps inciting people to enter the Capitol. Do you deny this?
 
M1Gringo said:
So you believe that they went to the Capitol with the intent of taking it over, even though none of them had a gun? Now THAT takes faith!
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Many of them had guns, one had a spear, others had bludgeons. All been verified now. One of the most recent with the longest sentence had a gun on him.

But they went to influence the the people they "believed" could overturn the election by denying the electoral count. As a threatening mob. Who smashed and beat police, doing do without guns.
 
M1Gringo said:
They were there to protest what they believed to be a rigged election.

In any event, why hasn't Ray Epps been arrested? Why did Capitol Police open the magnetic doors to the Capitol?
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So they were a very stupid, dangerous mob.

Where's your source for this magnetic door stuff?
 
M1Gringo said:
He didn't need to shoot that woman. She shouldn't have done that, but it wasn't necessary to shoot her.
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How many of the violent mob, smashing the doors and windows in front of him, should the cop have let thru? If it was your house, with your family in it, and they were trying to break in thru a window...what would you have done?
 
Lursa said:
How many of the violent mob, smashing the doors and windows in front of him, should the cop have let thru? If it was your house, with your family in it, and they were trying to break in thru a window...what would you have done?
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Did you watch the video of her being shot? She crawled through a small window that had been busted but before she actually go through he shot her and she died. What would I have done? I would have approached her at gunpoint and ordered her to retreat. There was no imminent threat to him or to anyone else.
 
Lursa said:
Where's your source for this magnetic door stuff?
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You really don't know about that? Why don't you know about it? Is it because your media sources didn't want to share it with you? Why wouldn't they want to share this simple fact with you?
 

Reject away, we heard their own words on video. Over and over. And they were charged with sedition, not insurrection.

Currently, the federal government criminalizes seditious conspiracy in 18 U.S.C. § 2384, which states, “f two or more persons in [the U.S.], conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.” ​

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sedition

www.law.cornell.edu
 
M1Gringo said:
Totally false.
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Nope, many have been discovered and that's just people that were searched. Like I wrote, the most recent with the longest sentence had a gun on him. And of course, many more. Here's a sampling:

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Indiana Man Sentenced to 60 Months in Prison For Carrying a Gun and Assaulting Law Enforcement Officers in Jan. 6 Capitol Breach

WASHINGTON – An Indiana man was sentenced today to 60 months in prison for carrying two loaded guns on Capitol grounds and assaulting law enforcement officers during the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. His and others’ actions disrupted a joint session of the U.S. Congress convened to...
www.justice.gov
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Guy Reffitt, Texas man who brought gun to Capitol on Jan. 6, sentenced to 87 months in prison

The sentence of more than 7 years is the longest related to the Jan. 6 attack to date.
www.cbsnews.com
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Capitol rioter armed with gun on Jan. 6 is found guilty on all charges

Christopher Alberts had a gun on his hip when he charged up the stairs of the Capitol on Jan. 6, and he later yelled at police officers before he was arrested.
www.nbcnews.com
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Looks like you've been duped...again.
 
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