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Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

sad event.

None of this would happen if Congress (both houses) would stop funding the govt. by Continuing Resolution (CR's). Both houses should of had next years federal budget passed by both and on the Presidents desk a couple of months ago.

But alas, it is easier to kick it down the road with CR's.

It is an outrage how both Houses are handling this. And Americans suffer. I feel for the families who are going through this. Same on Congress and the President.
 
Figures. Obama’s Union Pals Spotted at Illegal Immigration Rally at Closed National Mall​

by Jim Hoft
October 8, 2013

What a shock.
Obama’s union pals are out in force at the illegal immigration union rally at the closed National Mall in Washington DC today.
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more at: Figures. Obama’s Union Pals Spotted at Illegal Immigration Rally at Closed National Mall | The Gateway Pundit

While a few blocks away veterans were being arrested for doing the same at the World War II Memorial.

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Obama Follows Through On Promise: Arrests Vietnam Vets At War Memorial For Trespassing -

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All Obama and the liberal Dem Senators need to do is match the House Repubs' compromise -- the House Repubs changed "defund" to "delay", and now Obama and the liberal Dem Senators need to accept the moderate compromise.

If they don't, they only have their extremist mindset to thank when we default on 10/17/13.

The ball's in Obama's court.

He needs to make the right play, right now.
 
Wehrwolfen said:
Figures. Obama’s Union Pals Spotted at Illegal Immigration Rally at Closed National Mall​
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So now the dishonest OP has morphed into an anti-immigrant anti-union screed. There's some law that describes this, kind of like Godwin, only focusing on conservative fetishes.
 
Ontologuy said:
All Obama and the liberal Dem Senators need to do is match the House Repubs' compromise -- the House Repubs changed "defund" to "delay", and now Obama and the liberal Dem Senators need to accept the moderate compromise.

If they don't, they only have their extremist mindset to thank when we default on 10/17/13.

The ball's in Obama's court.

He needs to make the right play, right now.
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All the GOP has to do is raise taxes on the rich, cut military spending and maybe pass gun control. Let's negotiate!
 
Ontologuy said:
All Obama and the liberal Dem Senators need to do is match the House Repubs' compromise -- the House Repubs changed "defund" to "delay", and now Obama and the liberal Dem Senators need to accept the moderate compromise.
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That's not a "moderate compromise." Anyone who doesn't think the GOP, which hasn't negotiated in good faith once since Obama was inaugurated, wouldn't pull this same thing again in a year is fooling themselves.
 
Kobie said:
That's not a "moderate compromise." Anyone who doesn't think the GOP, which hasn't negotiated in good faith once since Obama was inaugurated, wouldn't pull this same thing again in a year is fooling themselves.
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When in doubt, blame the media.
 
Ontologuy said:
All Obama and the liberal Dem Senators need to do is match the House Repubs' compromise -- the House Repubs changed "defund" to "delay", and now Obama and the liberal Dem Senators need to accept the moderate compromise.
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That might appear moderate from their point of view, but it is also a transparent attempt to do something (anything) to prevent Obamacare from going live, because they still hope to kill it down the road.

If you acknowledge that, then why shouldn't Obama just nip that in the bud here? Every challenge to Obamacare so far has been a failure. There have been two national elections where, if it was the will of the voters, we could have given control of Congress and/or the White House to the GOP. If the voters didn't approve of what Obama was up to, why didn't Romney win? If the momentum is in the GOP side, why did they lose seats in 2012?

It doesn't mater how good you idea is, if you can't sell it to the voters.

If a clean CR couldn't pass the House, then maybe Obama needs to move his position. Until then, this is a GOP shutdown. It was a mistake for them to continue funding the military at any level, if they thought this was a winner. That was the blink, I believe. That, and Boehner saying early and often that he won't allow a default.
 
WillyPete said:
That might appear moderate from their point of view, but it is also a transparent attempt to do something (anything) to prevent Obamacare from going live, because they still hope to kill it down the road.

If you acknowledge that, then why shouldn't Obama just nip that in the bud here? Every challenge to Obamacare so far has been a failure. There have been two national elections where, if it was the will of the voters, we could have given control of Congress and/or the White House to the GOP. If the voters didn't approve of what Obama was up to, why didn't Romney win? If the momentum is in the GOP side, why did they lose seats in 2012?

It doesn't mater how good you idea is, if you can't sell it to the voters.

If a clean CR couldn't pass the House, then maybe Obama needs to move his position. Until then, this is a GOP shutdown. It was a mistake for them to continue funding the military at any level, if they thought this was a winner. That was the blink, I believe. That, and Boehner saying early and often that he won't allow a default.
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Last year Obama delayed the business mandate, and for good reason: because of the terrible holes still remaining in Obamacare legistlation, the results would have been significantly detrimental to employees, with a cascading effect that would have significantly rose premiums for everyone, causing many to drop their healthcare, causing premiums for others to rise, layoffs to occur, etc., etc.

This terrible condition still has not been repaired.

Now the situation will be doubly detrimental, to a catastrophic degree for individuals, businesses, and our economy, if the individual mandate, along with the business mandate, goes into effect soon.

When obamacare was ramrodded down Americans' throats by a partisan powerplay, skeptics in the House capitulated because the legislation was so volumnius and complex that it was difficult to tell what the detrimental effects would truly be.

Now that subsequent analysis has been performed and it is clear that because of its holes and lack of addressing the fundamental problem with healthcare -- that being that healthcare has become too expensive as is healthcare insurance for most everyone -- the socialistic obamacare will cause many more problems than it can ever solve, and could actually cripple our economy from its disastrous cascading effect.

But, though all this is now obvious, no attempt by Obama and the Senate liberal Dems has been made to plug the holes or delay implementation until all the holes are plugged in the legislation.

Thus, in the name of all that is right by American citizens, the House Repubs did the right thing by deciding to defund Obamacare and thus prevent its implementation.

When Obama and the Senate liberal Dems vowed to let the government default rather than surrender their idealistic Obamacare, Boehner and the House Repubs did the only thing they could do without sacrificing the American people upon Obama's idealistically stupid altar: they changed "defund" to "delay", to delay implementation of Obamacare until all the disaster-causing holes can be repaired.

Thus the House Repubs made a compromise.

Yet still Obama and his fellow ideologues in the liberal Dem-controlled Senate refuse to budge, refuse to compromise, holding cultically tight to their mantra-chanting refusal, threatening to let America default if they don't have their ideological way.

Boehner has said he wouldn't let America default.

But, in reality, he can only do so much.

When an ideologue of this magnitude is in the White House, it is difficult for the mere Speaker of the House to make good on his promise without sacrificing the American people.

However, Boehner can and has offerred to submit specific bills for approval of specific items, to prevent the government from defaulting.

And the ideologue Obama's reply to that? A refusal to accept those bills, as he's so afraid that his precious power would be diminished in the face of what he calls "giving the Speaker a line-item veto". :roll:

So, no, there is no egregious or inappropriate behavior by Boehner and the House Repubs.

The egregious unaccepatable behavior lies with Obama and the Senate liberal Dems, who now know the disastrous holes in Obamacare, and who yet are still absolutely insistent that their pet ideological project, Obamacare, be protected and ramrodded down Americans' throats at all potentially depression-causing costs to the American people.

This is an outrageous behavior by Obama and the Senate liberal Dems.

That is the truth of the matter, plain, straight, and simple.
 
ocean515 said:
Well, by all means then, the Senate should ignore the Constitution and originate spending bills. Perhaps you should contact them and remind them of this fact. It seems they have mistakenly assumed the House of Representatives is where spending bills originate.
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Actually, the Constitution gives exclusive power to initiate bills to raise revenue. Spending bills can start in the Senate.

All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
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One could argue that it also means spending bills, though.

Still, I don't see where it requires the Senate to be a rubber stamp of the House, or where the President is required to sign any bill regardless of where it originates. Maybe you can find that in the actual Constitution.
 
Ontologuy said:
All Obama and the liberal Dem Senators need to do is match the House Repubs' compromise -- the House Repubs changed "defund" to "delay", and now Obama and the liberal Dem Senators need to accept the moderate compromise.

If they don't, they only have their extremist mindset to thank when we default on 10/17/13.

The ball's in Obama's court.

He needs to make the right play, right now.
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Or, the House could pass a bill that the Senate might pass and that the President might sign. Clearly, the "delay compromise" was not accepted by the Senate. Too bad, so sad. It's not their job to rubberstamp a bill that passes the House.

So, in a year, they'd just allow Obamacare? We wouldn't be doing this all over again? If you believe that, there's a bridge in New York I'd like to talk to you about.
 
rocket88 said:
Or, the House could pass a bill that the Senate might pass and that the President might sign. Clearly, the "delay compromise" was not accepted by the Senate. Too bad, so sad. It's not their job to rubberstamp a bill that passes the House.

So, in a year, they'd just allow Obamacare? We wouldn't be doing this all over again? If you believe that, there's a bridge in New York I'd like to talk to you about.
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If Obamacare is implemented, then, due to the subsequently revealed disastrous holes in Obamacare, it will have a disastrous effect on individuals, businesses, and the economy.

Delaying implentation gives Washington time to attempt to solve the problems caused by those subsequently revealed holes, to repair the legislation to the best of their ability.

If the holes are plugged and the resulting legislation still makes sense, then it would be funded .. and if not, it would be delayed, perhaps indefinitely.

That is the right thing to do.
 
Ontologuy said:
When obamacare was ramrodded down Americans' throats by a partisan powerplay...
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The power play that matters here is the 2008 election where the citizens that put the Dems in charge of the White House and both house of Congress. That's not a ramrod.


Thus, in the name of all that is right by American citizens, the House Repubs did the right thing by deciding to defund Obamacare and thus prevent its implementation.
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Well, thank goodness we don't have to worry about Obamacare any more, then. Sounded terrifying. Mission accomplished, GOP.


I'll agree both sides could end this by capitulating, but it is the House GOP that sent across bills with the full knowledge they would not be confirmed by the Senate, and refuses to allow a House vote on a clean CR. If Boehner doesn't think it will pass, what's the harm in allowing the vote?
 
Ontologuy said:
If Obamacare is implemented, then, due to the subsequently revealed disastrous holes in Obamacare, it will have a disastrous effect on individuals, businesses, and the economy.

Delaying implentation gives Washington time to attempt to solve the problems caused by those subsequently revealed holes, to repair the legislation to the best of their ability.

If the holes are plugged and the resulting legislation still makes sense, then it would be funded .. and if not, it would be delayed, perhaps indefinitely.

That is the right thing to do.
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Delaying it by a year also makes it an October surprise next year when the whole House is running for re-election. They're not going to let that happen. Does that sound like "plugging holes" to you?
 
Ontologuy said:
If Obamacare is implemented, then, due to the subsequently revealed disastrous holes in Obamacare, it will have a disastrous effect on individuals, businesses, and the economy.

Delaying implentation gives Washington time to attempt to solve the problems caused by those subsequently revealed holes, to repair the legislation to the best of their ability.

If the holes are plugged and the resulting legislation still makes sense, then it would be funded .. and if not, it would be delayed, perhaps indefinitely.

That is the right thing to do.
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The senators and representatives that feel that way about it didn't and don't have the clout to get it done.

If the law was a dire as you paint it to be, surely the GOP could have sold their position to the American people at some point in the the last few years? Surely they would have gained more seats in Congress (rather than losing seats in 2012) or gotten Obama out of office?

What you think is right doesn't matter if you can't sell it to the voters.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Toss out ObamaCare.
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Obamacare is passed, signed and Supreme Court-approved legislation. The idea that the Republicans shuting down the government just to get it tossed out is "the right thing to do" just shows how twisted your view of how our nation should work is.
 
Kobie said:
Obamacare is passed, signed and Supreme Court-approved legislation. The idea that the Republicans shuting down the government just to get it tossed out is "the right thing to do" just shows how twisted your view of how our nation should work is.
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slavery was a law also. we went to war to end it because it was the right thing to do, but according to your fail logic slavery should have never been repealed because it was a law
 
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