Shouldn't the US fear Iran too?

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by KCConservative:
No he didn't. He said terrorism was a threat. And we eliminated one of the most henous terrorists on the planet, in Saddam Hussain. No one ever said the good people of Iraq were a mushroom cloud threat. That's the only lie I see.

Obviously, you didn't read my link in post #44.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
duno, ask Scot Ritter

"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998

for you to claim this man didnt have the ability to harm American citizens is simply nuts.

Where the f_ck are they, smart guy? Where are they? We haven't found jackshit there. So this part of your arguement is totally invalid and false until they do.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
you certainly have the right to put your security in the hands of Hans Blix and an organization as clearly innefective as the UN. more power to ya. I prefer to put my faith in my own government, even if the leader is a member of the green party.

Hey, they were the ones on the seen looking at the sites. You were not. You were sitting at home choosing to believe a government of proven liars. Blix and his boys were inspecting Iraqi sites and said they were in full compliance with all resolutions at the time we attacked.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
we have concluded that you think everyone lied. I simply think the evidence shows you are wrong.

Who's this "we"? And who's "everyone"? What evidence are you refering too? And this is not what I said. I said, "show me a post..." where I said all the others made an honest mistake.

Why do you lie?

 

[ProudAmerican]

Where the f_ck are they, smart guy? Where are they? We haven't found jackshit there. So this part of your arguement is totally invalid and false until they do.

yeah, since we havent found them, they clearly never existed. All those Kurds keeled over from a bad case of the flu.

and since you cant see oxygen, it must not exist.

its completely nuts to think they ended up in another terror supporting country.

I would rather ASSUME THE WORST and prevent it. Had Clinton done that, 9-11 might not have happened.

But thanks for "assuming" the American people are safe. We all appreciate it.

 

[ProudAmerican]

Hey, they were the ones on the seen looking at the sites. You were not. You were sitting at home choosing to believe a government of proven liars. Blix and his boys were inspecting Iraqi sites and said they were in full compliance with all resolutions at the time we attacked.

so firts you say Ritter is wrong.....and then you tell me I should listen to the organization he worked for because they were there and I was sitting at home.

dude, you are a bit confusing.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
nahhh, just the 8 years prior where we did nothing to prevent it.

I don't know if you noticed it or not, but terrorism is on the rise.

 

[ProudAmerican]

Who's this "we"? And who's "everyone"? What evidence are you refering too? And this is not what I said. I said, "show me a post..." where I said all the others made an honest mistake.

Why do you lie?

"we" is you and me. THE TWO OF US are clear that you think "everyone" (ie all those people I showed you quotes from) lied rather than making an honest mistake.

It seems you are trying to confuse the issue here.

you cant have it both ways. either........

1) Bush, Clinton, and everyone else I showed you quotes from INTENTIONALLY lied and misled the world........or

2) they made a mistake due to bad intelligence.

you cant possiblye claim the neocon intentionally lied while all the (D)s made a simple mistake.

that would be retarded.

 

[ProudAmerican]

I don't know if you noticed it or not, but terrorism is on the rise.

not in NYC.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
yeah, since we havent found them, they clearly never existed. All those Kurds keeled over from a bad case of the flu.

and since you cant see oxygen, it must not exist.

its completely nuts to think they ended up in another terror supporting country.

I would rather ASSUME THE WORST and prevent it. Had Clinton done that, 9-11 might not have happened.

But thanks for "assuming" the American people are safe. We all appreciate it.

Did you know there are reports out there that state he didn't gas the Kurds like everyone thought. That it was the Iranians and the Kurds were just caught in the middle in the wrong place at the wrong time during that border war?

Also, you can see musturd gas.

And it is completely nuts to think he had anything before you can prove it.

Now you have made the most ridiculous statement of the day. Tying Iraq to 9/11! Good one, Einstein!

Iraq was not a threat to anyone.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
"we" is you and me. THE TWO OF US are clear that you think "everyone" (ie all those people I showed you quotes from) lied rather than making an honest mistake.

It seems you are trying to confuse the issue here.

you cant have it both ways. either........

1) Bush, Clinton, and everyone else I showed you quotes from INTENTIONALLY lied and misled the world........or

2) they made a mistake due to bad intelligence.

you cant possiblye claim the neocon intentionally lied while all the (D)s made a simple mistake.

that would be retarded.

Were going around in circles or you're just having a conversation with yourself. I didn't say (or agree) that I think all those people lied. I said Bush lied and I believe Clinton did as well. Stop trying to put words in my mouth. I've asked you twice to show me a post where I said others made a simple mistake. Show me the post where I said this. Why can't you do that? If you can't, then you're f_cking lying! Show me the post where I said that or stop saying I said something that I didn't!

 

[Pacridge]

Were going around in circles or you're just having a conversation with yourself. I didn't say (or agree) that I think all those people lied. I said Bush lied and I believe Clinton did as well. Stop trying to put words in my mouth. I've asked you twice to show me a post where I said others made a simple mistake. Show me the post where I said this. Why can't you do that? If you can't, then you're f_cking lying! Show me the post where I said that or stop saying I said something that I didn't!

You can easily make your posts without saying that, please don't resort to this in the future.

 

[ProudAmerican]

Did you know there are reports out there that state he didn't gas the Kurds like everyone thought. That it was the Iranians and the Kurds were just caught in the middle in the wrong place at the wrong time during that border war?

wonder who put forth those reports? couldnt possibly be people with a political agenda against us being there.

Also, you can see musturd gas.

You can see missiles that saddam was banned from having too. weve found those...but they dont count. we are discussing WMDs like thats the ONLY reason we were given for this war. Thats wrong, and a common liberal tactic to try and narrow the scope of this war to one reason and only one reason.

And it is completely nuts to think he had anything before you can prove it.

you could have never proven to the American people that we were doomed to lose 3,000 people in a terror attack on 9-10
theres no way anyone would have believed it.

Now you have made the most ridiculous statement of the day. Tying Iraq to 9/11! Good one, Einstein!

if I had a nickel for every time a liberal made that statement , Id be rich. another common, ridiculous tactic.
what I said was, Had Clinton actually tried to work to prevent terrorism, 9-11 may have never happened.

and please dont start with name calling. if you cant debate this issue in an intelligent manner, then Ill be glad to stop the exchange.

Iraq was not a threat to anyone.

on 9-10-2001, neither was Al Queda!!!!

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Pacridge:
You can easily make your posts without saying that, please don't resort to this in the future.

What do you call it when he keeps saying I said something that I didn't? And when I ask him to provide the post where I said it, he doesn't. Yet he goes on saying I said this. What else could it be?

 

[KCConservative]

You can easily make your posts without saying that, please don't resort to this in the future.

Thank you. It's about time. There is no need for all of that gratutitous profanity.

 

[ProudAmerican]

Were going around in circles or you're just having a conversation with yourself. I didn't say (or agree) that I think all those people lied. I said Bush lied and I believe Clinton did as well. Stop trying to put words in my mouth. I've asked you twice to show me a post where I said others made a simple mistake. Show me the post where I said this. Why can't you do that? If you can't, then you're f_cking lying! Show me the post where I said that or stop saying I said something that I didn't!

so Clinton lied, Bush lied, but everyone else made an honest mistake.

LMAO.

im asking you man. EXPLAIN IT TO ME since i have it all wrong.

how can 5 people say the same exact thing, but some be lying and others not be lying.

you cant explain it because you are being a partisan hack and being intelectually dishonest.

Ill try to take this slow so you can clearly explain it to me.............how is this

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

any different from this



"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

or this

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

and how are those quotes any different from anything Bush said about going to war with Iraq?

please explain to all of us how Bush could have lied intentionally, but any of those quotes would be anything other than an intentional lie as well?

stop trying to confuse the issue and explain your position.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
wonder who put forth those reports? couldnt possibly be people with a political agenda against us being there.

Doesn't make them false.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
You can see missiles that saddam was banned from having too. weve found those...but they dont count. we are discussing WMDs like thats the ONLY reason we were given for this war. Thats wrong, and a common liberal tactic to try and narrow the scope of this war to one reason and only one reason.

We attacked in violation of Article 51 of the UN Charter. We ratified the UN Charter which makes it our law as well. So we broke the law by attacking. Are you in favor of breaking the law?

 

[ProudAmerican]

What do you call it when he keeps saying I said something that I didn't? And when I ask him to provide the post where I said it, he doesn't. Yet he goes on saying I said this. What else could it be?

lets see if you can explain it to us. the following quotes are all very similar to what the left has acused president Bush as saying as a LIE to the American people.

Please explain to us which of the following is an outright lie, and which is an honest mistake due to bad intelligence. Or maybe some of them are right and we just havent found the weapons yet.

so we are all clear, explain it to us.

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others

"Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities" -- From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002

"Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction." -- Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

 

[KCConservative]

Given Billo's logic, these guys are liars too.

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years,
every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and
destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
- Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show
that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological
weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

 

[KCConservative]

Here's some more liars, billo

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his
continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass
destruction. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real...."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” Nancy Pelosi Dec 16, 1998

“For the risks that the leaders of Iraq will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against usor our allies is the greatest security threat we face.” Madeline Albright, Feb. 18, 1998

“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.” Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

“We urge you to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

“Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.” Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

“There is no doubt that Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue.” Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001

“We should be hell bent on getting those WMDs, but we should try to do it in a way which keeps the world together and that achieves our goal which is removing Saddam Hussein” - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Dec. 9, 2002

“Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the U.N. and is building WMD’s and the means of delivering them.” Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sep. 19, 2002

“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.” Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.” Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“Saddam Hussein retains his chemical and biological warfare capabilities and is actively pursuing nuclear capabilities.”
Wesley Clark, Sept. 26, 2002

House Armed Services Committee Testimony.
“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons.” Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

“Saddam Hussein has since (10/98) embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…” Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

“I will be voting to give the President the Authority to USE FORCE to DISARM Hussein because I believe that a DEADLY Arsenal of WMD’s in his hands is a Grave Threat to our Security.” Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years.” Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct. 10, 2002

“Saddam has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.” Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

“It is clear that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.” Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

“Saddam would resort to chemical and biological weapons against our troops in a desperate -attempt to save his regime if he believes he and his regime are ultimately threatened.” Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) Oct. 8, 2002

“Saddam Hussein used chemical and biological weapons. He disregarded UN resolutions. His forces fire on American jets. And he has the potential to develop and deploy nuclear weapons.” Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

“We are in possession of compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.” Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 CBS Face The Nation

“We need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real …” Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Saddam Hussein’s regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal.”

Iraq has continued to seek nuclear weapons and develop its arsenal in defiance of the collective will of the international community, as expressed through the United Nations Security Council. It is violating the terms of the 1991 cease-fire that ended the Gulf war and as many as 16 Security Council resolutions, including 11 resolutions concerning Iraq’s efforts to develop weapons of mass destruction.” Congressional Record Sen. John Edwards, October 10, 2002

 

[ProudAmerican]

Doesn't make them false.

doesnt make them factual either.

 

[ProudAmerican]

We attacked in violation of Article 51 of the UN Charter. We ratified the UN Charter which makes it our law as well. So we broke the law by attacking. Are you in favor of breaking the law?

Im in favor of protecting Americans against terrorists and their supporters.

especially when Congress gives its overwhelming support to the president to do so,

no matter what letter is in parenthesis after that presidents name.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by KCConservative
Given Billo's logic, these guys are liars too.

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years,
every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and
destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
- Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show
that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological
weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

You keep trying to change the subject. This is not about what I think if others have or have not lied that would justify attacking Iraq. No matter what others have said, and I mean all others, we illegally attacked Iraq. Period.

 

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Originally posted by ProudAmerican
Im in favor of protecting Americans against terrorists and their supporters.

especially when Congress gives its overwhelming support to the president to do so,

no matter what letter is in parenthesis after that presidents name.

How is a nation of goat farmers a threat to the United States 8000 miles away with no navy?