Lyudmila Pavlichencko: The greatest woman sniper. By, Thomas W. BrunnerThe Soviet Union drafted unmarried women in the later years of the war although many thousands had volunteered much earlier in the conflict. More than 70% of the 800,000 Russian women who served in the Soviet army fought at the front. One hundred thousand of them were decorated for defending their country. Komsomol, the Communist youth organization, mobilized a half-million women and girls for military service. The women trained in all-female groups but after training were posted to regular army units and fought alongside the men.
On 12 July, 1916, a girl was born in Ukrair in the small village of Belaya Tserkov. She became a bright student in her elementary years. By the time she was fourteen her parents moved to Kiev, the capitol of Ukraine. At that time she had joined a shooting club and developed into a sharpshooter. She also worked at an arsenal as a grinder. Her name was Lyudmila Mikailnova Pavlichencko; the greatest female sniper who ever lived.
Pvt. Pavlichencko fought about two and a half months near Odessa. There, she recorded 187 kills. The Germans gained control of Odessa, and her unit was sent to Sevastopol on the Crimean Peninsula. In June 1942 she was wounded by mortar fire. In May 1942, Lieutenant Pavlichenko was sited by the Southern Red Army Council for killing 257 German soldiers. Her total confirmed kills during WWII was 309 enemy. Lyudmila killed 36 enemy snipers. She found the kill logbook of one of he Nazi snipers she killed. He had taken the lives of 500 Soviet snipers.
I remember being in Navy boot camp and qualifying as a second class swimmer. I asked why first class swimmer status wasn't doled out in boot camp and was told that it's reserved for Navy Seals. I was then told that I could take the Seals swimming test, and if I qualified I could go to re-con school. I asked why I couldn't go to Seals school and was just told women couldn't be Seals.alex said:Yes, women should be allowed on the front lines. I was in the military and believe me, some of those women I served with probably would be useful on the front lines.
Actually many of the "reasons" you listed aren't directly inline with what was actually said to me, but are loosely connected.Datamonkee said:"He tried to explain that the reason women were barred from Seals school was because Congress thought it was too dangerous for women. Jobs which were deemed as too dangerous were done as such because they didn't want to loose child bearers."
That is the most backwoods, inane, ignorant answer I have ever heard. OI. I'm embarrassed. I'm ex-navy myself.
There are a multitude of reasons why woman aren't allowed in combat situations, and none of them have to do with child bearing.
Unfortunately there is no "fact" behind this claim. I'm not saying the claim is false just the facts utilized in this reasoning.Datamonkee said:Ironically enough, most of these arguments are also used to keep the homosexual community out of the military. I don't say that they are right, just reporting the facts, ma'am.
I personally still find it to be pure misongyny.Datamonkee said:I am NOT saying that some women aren't capable of carrying their own weight (figuratively speaking). There were over 40k women serving in Iraq, and the USMC awarded 23 woman the Combat Action Ribbon for fighting along side their male counterparts. I served with some woman that could kick my butt and not break a sweat. But the rules are based on a majority. There would be several woman that would attempt the training, feel unfairly treated, turn it into a political game, and get the training adapted to suit their needs, and not the needs of surviving special forces missions.
Are women more reluctant to kill? Just wondering if that's part of the "battle conscience".Basically what the study tries to say is woman have more battle consience than men in many cases which can be a bad thing.
Yes, more reluctant to kill, with the exception of protecting their own. They also are more susceptible to the post combat stress disorders. Men have been trained to be more callous about human life, and thus, have the ability to "shrug it off" better. I am not saying that this is good or bad. Women produce life, thus treasure it more.vandree said:Are women more reluctant to kill? Just wondering if that's part of the "battle conscience".
vandree said:Are women more reluctant to kill? Just wondering if that's part of the "battle conscience".
There are more "support" positions in the military than fighting positions. Logistics, Supply, Intelligence, Religious, Media and many others. We are steadily putting woman in much more dangerous positions (see my post on the number of woman in combat in Iraq right now). It is just more shocking to see females tortured or in body bags than men. Men are expected to die to protect the family, the women. It isn't a slight on the ability of women to do this, it is just a statement of our quasi-chivalric upbringing.punkyg0608 said:If women join the military, why should we keep them from fighting? Even if they are less likely to kill than men are, what are we going to do, just keep all women from fighting but still pay them? What good are they in the military if we do that? I'd say if they join the military, they should not be held back from fighting.
Religious? Say it isn't so. Let's call Mikey Newdow & the ACLU...that's got to be a violation of our rights.Datamonkee said:There are more "support" positions in the military than fighting positions. Logistics, Supply, Intelligence, Religious, Media and many others. We are steadily putting woman in much more dangerous positions (see my post on the number of woman in combat in Iraq right now). It is just more shocking to see females tortured or in body bags than men. Men are expected to die to protect the family, the women. It isn't a slight on the ability of women to do this, it is just a statement of our quasi-chivalric upbringing.
Prepared for actionThere are now 130 female chaplains on active duty--28 in the Air Force, 49 in the Army and 53 in the Navy. Among those serving the Navy, Chaplain Melody Goodwin--the daughter of two Pentecostal ministers--has been promoted to the rank of commander. This rank has elevated her to her current position as ethical adviser and pastoral planner for the assistant commander, Navy personnel command, fleet support.
What? Like ours isn't? Please.Datamonkee said:Mine really wasn't a "Put women in church positions to get them out of the way" post, it was just a list of other spots that are important, but non-combative. Other countries have used females in combative positions for decades, but most of them have had a very, very violent history.
Now I understand what Bin laden meant when he said...JustineCredible said:Just give me 12,000 women all PMSing and any war would be over in 24hrs! Guaranteed!
cnredd said:Now I understand what Bin laden meant when he said...
"Or enemies blood will be flowing like rivers".
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