Should websites that tell children pedophilia is okay be shut down?

[jamesrage]

Should websites that tell children pedophilia is okay be shut down?

Parents want website shut down - FOX23 News
There's a website that tells young girls it's okay to let men touch them inappropriately.

One line from the website reads, “Probably you have been told that touching in the private parts of your body is ‘bad touching.’ This is not always the case.”

snip..

The website, created by an admitted pedophile, is called Puellula.





Not only do I think that website should be shut down I think it's owner should be thrown in jail.

 

[rivrrat]

Nope. It's only words.

 

[jallman]

Should websites that tell children pedophilia is okay be shut down?

Parents want website shut down - FOX23 News
There's a website that tells young girls it's okay to let men touch them inappropriately.

One line from the website reads, “Probably you have been told that touching in the private parts of your body is ‘bad touching.’ This is not always the case.”

snip..

The website, created by an admitted pedophile, is called Puellula.





Not only do I think that website should be shut down I think it's owner should be thrown in jail.

Absolutely shut down and the owner should be thrown in jail. This is one point where I can say james is spot on. This is no different than soliciting a minor and it also goes to criminal intent, aiding and abetting criminal activity, etc.

 

[jamesrage]

Nope. It's only words.

One of the pedophiles caught on Dateline's To Catch a Predator said that too."It's only words",then he said "It's just talking".Then once he realized that would not work he started crying like a little bitch.

Words have a power to influence,do you really want these people trying to influence your children?They could end growing up to be adults who see nothing wrong with this kind of behavior.

 

[WI Crippler]

"Its just words" is a poor excuse for the discussion of criminal activity.

Lets start a website, detailing how we are going to rob a bank, or murder someone. No one should be able to stop us since "its just words".

Sorry rivrrat, James is spot on here...

 

[Cephus]

I think that crosses the line into censorship and that's a bad thing. However, I think these sites should be registered as adult only and keep children out. Talk isn't illegal and once we start making talk illegal, we're into some very dangerous ground.

 

[rivrrat]

One of the pedophiles caught on Dateline's To Catch a Predator said that too."It's only words",then he said "It's just talking".Then once he realized that would not work he started crying like a little bitch.

Words have a power to influence,do you really want these people trying to influence your children?They could end growing up to be adults who see nothing wrong with this kind of behavior.

I can't go to the aforementioned site while at work right now, so I can't adequately comment on its entirety. It'll have to wait until I get home. When I do and if I see something I think is terrible, then I'll post my appropriate change of opinion here.

However, based solely off that article you posted, I still have to go with "no, it should not be shut down".

There are a crapload of websites out there that offer incorrect, misleading, or even damaging information (if followed by the wholely ignorant). Freedom of speech means toleration of such things. Children can and do get incorrect information from any number of sources, including the internet. It's up to the parents to parent their children, not the rest of society.

As for the "to catch a predator" thing... talking to someone online isn't illegal. My feelings on teenage sex aside, they crossed the line when they met up to specifically have sex with that underage individual.

 

[rivrrat]

"Its just words" is a poor excuse for the discussion of criminal activity.

Lets start a website, detailing how we are going to rob a bank, or murder someone. No one should be able to stop us since "its just words".

Sorry rivrrat, James is spot on here...

We talk about drugs pretty damn freely. Speeding? Any number of things. And, I'm sure there ARE websites about bank robbing too. There are websites about *everything*.

Talking about criminal activity is not illegal. I can even walk up to a police officer and TELL him I've used drugs. There's not a damn thing he can do about it. Actions speak much louder than words.

Unless he has child porn on his site, or solicits a minor, he is doing nothing illegal.

 

[ARealConservative]

It's definite slippery slope.

Is the subject material the issue, or is the target audience the reason to prevent it?

 

[WI Crippler]

As for the "to catch a predator" thing... talking to someone online isn't illegal.

Something about a republican congressman comes to mind. I think it was wrong of him to do and for he should have lost his job, but the media made it sound as if he actually raped the kid or something.

I personally think discussion of criminal intent is wrong. Stopping criminal activity while it is in the process of happening is already too late for the victim...

 

[jallman]

It's definite slippery slope.

Is the subject material the issue, or is the target audience the reason to prevent it?

I personally think both are a reason. The First Amendment is not a shield against prevention of the perpetuation of sick crimes.

 

[ARealConservative]

I personally think both are a reason. The First Amendment is not a shield against prevention of the perpetuation of sick crimes.

"sick crimes".

Sure, as a society we almost unanimously agree this applies as a sick crime. But it is also easy to see the potential trouble with such thinking.

interracial relationships were once "sick crimes"

So were acts of homosexuality.

It's a dangerous game we play by trying to legislate expression.

Anyway I'm just throwing a bit of devil's advocate into a discussion that most will agree with at the outset. I don't have alot of passion for defending freedom of speech for pedophiles. :shock:

 

[jallman]

"sick crimes".

Sure, as a society we almost unanimously agree this applies as a sick crime. But it is also easy to see the potential trouble with such thinking.

interracial relationships were once "sick crimes"

So were acts of homosexuality.

It's a dangerous game we play by trying to legislate expression.

Anyway I'm just throwing a bit of devil's advocate into a discussion that most will agree with at the outset. I don't have alot of passion for defending freedom of speech for pedophiles. :shock:

***I completely understand that you are playing devil's advocate. I won't hold this against you in other conversations.

OK...so the difference between this and your examples is that children are not capable of giving consent. Any sex act with a child, besides being horrendous and worthy of death for the perpetrator, is an act of rape. Further, it is an infringement of parental rights since no worthy parent is going to give consent to rape their child.

 

[ARealConservative]

***I completely understand that you are playing devil's advocate. I won't hold this against you in other conversations.

OK...so the difference between this and your examples is that children are not capable of giving consent. Any sex act with a child, besides being horrendous and worthy of death for the perpetrator, is an act of rape. Further, it is an infringement of parental rights since no worthy parent is going to give consent to rape their child.

From a consent angle it is very much the same as raping an adult.

Take a show like Law & Order - should it be illegal to have an episode that goes into detail about which types of drugs are most common for for rapists to use? How about a latenight show on HBO? How about on Barney and Friends? :mrgreen:

It's just too much of a slippery slope for me. I simply don't have enough trust that fellow citizens can properly restrict freedom of speech. The free market has done a good job of keeping this type of material of of Barney. I don't see the need for legislation.

So instread, I will allow a little bit of ugliness to go on.

 

[jallman]

From a consent angle it is very much the same as raping an adult.

Take a show like Law & Order - should it be illegal to have an episode that goes into detail about which types of drugs are most common for for rapists to use? How about a latenight show on HBO? How about on Barney and Friends? :mrgreen:

It's just too much of a slippery slope for me. I simply don't have enough trust that fellow citizens can properly restrict freedom of speech. The free market has done a good job of keeping this type of material of of Barney. I don't see the need for legislation.

So instread, I will allow a little bit of ugliness to go on.

I'm not going to lie...I take a much more authoritarian approach to regulation of criminal speech. If the site were saying things about a pedophile's interest in children or that it was a confession of some activity or even a piece of fiction (such as Lolita), that's one thing.

However, a site that tells children it is okay to be touched by older people is clearly an "intent" to lure children into subjugation to criminal activity. It's wrong and the First Amendment is not a shield for criminal activity. It is a protection against hindrance of dissenting ideas and speech. There is no dissent in the presentation of child rape as an option. It is conspiracy at the very least.

 

[RightOfCenter]

Should websites that tell children pedophilia is okay be shut down?

Parents want website shut down - FOX23 News
There's a website that tells young girls it's okay to let men touch them inappropriately.

One line from the website reads, “Probably you have been told that touching in the private parts of your body is ‘bad touching.’ This is not always the case.”

snip..

The website, created by an admitted pedophile, is called Puellula.





Not only do I think that website should be shut down I think it's owner should be thrown in jail.

That is absolutely ****ed up.

 

[Kandahar]

No, it shouldn't be shut down. From the quotes listed in the news article, it doesn't sound like this website was explicitly advocating criminal activity.

Absolutely shut down and the owner should be thrown in jail. This is one point where I can say james is spot on. This is no different than soliciting a minor and it also goes to criminal intent, aiding and abetting criminal activity, etc.

Actually it is quite different, because:

A) No minor was solicited,
B) You can't prove that it supports criminal activity just because it had an unpopular viewpoint (if you could, then any discussion of changing existing laws would be illegal).

Sorry folks, but the fact that it's disgusting isn't a good enough reason to ban it.

Words have a power to influence,do you really want these people trying to influence your children?They could end growing up to be adults who see nothing wrong with this kind of behavior.

Then it's the parents' responsibility to make sure that their kids don't see it, not the Nanny State's responsibility.

 

[WI Crippler]

Sorry folks, but the fact that it's disgusting isn't a good enough reason to ban it.

Its not the fact that its disgusting. Its the fact its an illegal activity being discussed in an open manner.

Personally I find gay, male sex disgusting (no offense jallman) but it is an act between two consenting adults that is not criminal in intent, so if there are gay websites that try to reach out to straight adult males, and woo them with the wonders of homosexuality ( I don't know...makeovers, fancy shoes, and frosted tips in their hair :shrug: ), thats fine, because although some peoples opinion may be that they find it disgusting, it is legal.

Rivrrat brought up the point that she can go up to a cop and tell him that she does drugs and the cop can't do anything about it. What if somebody goes up to a cop and says " I just molested a little boy in the alley there yesterday, and threw him in a dumpster after I was done". I guess the cop can't do anything, since its "just words".

 

[jallman]

Personally I find gay, male sex disgusting (no offense jallman) but it is an act between two consenting adults that is not criminal in intent,

That's ok, crip...I find straight sex disgusting if its with anyone except Lucy Lu or Drew Barrymore.

 

[rivrrat]

Rivrrat brought up the point that she can go up to a cop and tell him that she does drugs and the cop can't do anything about it. What if somebody goes up to a cop and says " I just molested a little boy in the alley there yesterday, and threw him in a dumpster after I was done". I guess the cop can't do anything, since its "just words".

he couldn't do anything unless the boy was found in the dumpster.

There must actually be evidence of a crime in order for them to arrest you for a crime. I could go and tell them I killed 15 people across the country. They may hold me for questioning, but unless they find people dead by what appears to be my hand... they cannot charge me with anything.

 

[WI Crippler]

he couldn't do anything unless the boy was found in the dumpster.

There must actually be evidence of a crime in order for them to arrest you for a crime. I could go and tell them I killed 15 people across the country. They may hold me for questioning, but unless they find people dead by what appears to be my hand... they cannot charge me with anything.

No they cannot arrest you, bu they can take steps to take you off the streets if they deem your threat real, until it is proven that your admission is false. You may be innocent until proven guilty, but that doesn't mean you just get a free pass until its been determined you are guilty.

Besides aren't there charges for intent to murder etc.... on the books??

 

[Navy Pride]

Should websites that tell children pedophilia is okay be shut down?

Parents want website shut down - FOX23 News
There's a website that tells young girls it's okay to let men touch them inappropriately.

One line from the website reads, “Probably you have been told that touching in the private parts of your body is ‘bad touching.’ This is not always the case.”

snip..

The website, created by an admitted pedophile, is called Puellula.





Not only do I think that website should be shut down I think it's owner should be thrown in jail.

They should be but they won't......Its called that all incompassing first amendment......

 

[ARealConservative]

he couldn't do anything unless the boy was found in the dumpster.

There must actually be evidence of a crime in order for them to arrest you for a crime. I could go and tell them I killed 15 people across the country. They may hold me for questioning, but unless they find people dead by what appears to be my hand... they cannot charge me with anything.

I'm sorry but that sounds pretty dang simplistic to me.

Police will find something to arrest you with. If you admit to killing men but don't show them bodies - obstruction of justice sounds about right.

Case in point - a couple of days ago there was a domestic disturbance report with a player in the NFL. His girlfriend broke up with him and he took it hard. He double parked his car next to hers so she couldn't officially move out. The police charged him with false imprisonment. :lol:

 

[Kandahar]

Its not the fact that its disgusting. Its the fact its an illegal activity being discussed in an open manner.

That's still not a good enough reason to ban it. It isn't illegal to openly discuss illegal activities, unless you're actually encouraging people to commit these actions. If it was illegal to even discuss illegal activities, then every thread on this forum that discussed changing existing laws would be banned.

If this website was encouraging people to molest children, then that would be illegal. But simply stating his opinion that it's not always morally wrong to do so isn't illegal, nor should it be.

 

[jallman]

Police will find something to arrest you with. If you admit to killing men but don't show them bodies - obstruction of justice sounds about right.

In most places, knowingly giving false information to an LEO is a misdemeanor.