We should abandon our silly and futile notion of trying to "seal the borders" and just "let the markets work," so to speak.
I think there should be two conditions that, if satisfied, should allow anyone and everyone to enter or exit the United States at will. First, do they have a job? If yes, then they are productive, and they should be allowed to stay. If not, is there someone willing to claim them as a dependent? Is there someone willing to feed, clothe, school them? If so, there is no reason to keep them out of the country. The second condition is that they don't have a criminal record.
Why not seal the border? Well, for one, futility. No matter what we do, people find ways to enter the country. So really, we're kicking and screaming, we're pouring countless resources in to fight a "problem" that is probably never going to be resolved.
Second, aside from pure xenophobia and/or racism, I haven't heard a good argument yet for why we should try to stem the tide of immigrants in to this vast country of ours. You have to admit, that's part of the equation. Nobody would complain if a bunch of blond hair, blue eyed, English speaking Canadians were crossing the border en masse. So I think we need to be mature and ask ourselves if xenophobia is really a good enough reason to literally build a fence between ourselves and our neighbors.
No. Population migrations are a natural phenomenon. It's been going on forever. Massive governments and their laws and walls are artificial phenomenon. Nature will find a way.
There is something called legal citizenship. I'm all for allowing more people to come in here legally, but I am definitely not for allowing our laws on the books to go unenforced.
First, the government involvement in order to perform background checks (for criminal activity), verification of valid employment (not the bs of just saying they have a job), making sure they are paying taxes as an employee should, would far exceed what exists now in rounding people up after the fact, and attempting to prevent new illegal immigrants.
Second, not all illegal immigrants are coming from the south. Russians, Uzbekistanis, Jamaicans, Asians are coming on assorted Visas just to get here, and finding employment and staying long past the expiration of those Visas.
Illegal is the key here. I don't care where they come from, as long as they follow proper channels, such as a close family member did. Took 6 months to do so, but they did it the right way.
Should we loosen the law, make it easier to get a visa, make it easier to become a citizen? Yes.
Should we just open the border? No.
In theory I am for open borders. However, I just don't see it working if other countries don't open their borders as well.
As I already said, the legal route is crazy. I have to commit to a $1 million business investment and agree to hire at least 10 full time employees just to get a residency visa for a shot at eventually getting a citizenship. It's a terrible way to do business, and it doesn't even guarantee me a citizenship.
Put the onus on them. Make them do all the work. After all, they're motivated. You don't perform a background check, oh heavens no. You make them go to the Mexican (or whatever) government and get a voucher that they're clean.
As I already said, the legal route is crazy. I have to commit to a $1 million business investment and agree to hire at least 10 full time employees just to get a residency visa for a shot at eventually getting a citizenship. It's a terrible way to do business, and it doesn't even guarantee me a citizenship.
Try Canada, though surprisingly from what we hear all the time, it's not any easier immigrating there. However, they do have this new program - "VIP Business Immigration Program, which allows immigrants with sufficient business experience or management experience to receive the Permanent Residency in a shorter period than other types of immigrations."
and most calls to open borders are rooted in trust fund babys with no job and no idea of the labor market............
Do you actually believe there are islamic terrorists in Mexico?
But in aggregate, the unemployment rate has not risen.
He's not saying we should ignore them, he's saying HE won't give them preferential treatment when it comes to employment just because they're Americans.
If you think about it, a lot of Americans get useless degrees that don't help them much later in life. The man has a point.
In aggregate, the temperatures in Missouri should support orange tress just like Florida. That doesn't stop them all from dying in the first hard freeze.But in aggregate, the unemployment rate has not risen.
We are a country of immigrants.
We are a country of LEGAL immigrants not illegal immigrants if someone wants to come here, they do it legally.Why should Americans be entitled to such special treatment? If someone is smarter, hungrier, harder working, then they should be able to come in to this country and take the job. That's what keeps us on top.
We are a country of immigrants.
Tell that to the American Indians.We have never been a country of immigrants. That's a myth. The native born have always been the majority.
We should abandon our silly and futile notion of trying to "seal the borders" and just "let the markets work," so to speak.
I think there should be two conditions that, if satisfied, should allow anyone and everyone to enter or exit the United States at will. First, do they have a job? If yes, then they are productive, and they should be allowed to stay. If not, is there someone willing to claim them as a dependent? Is there someone willing to feed, clothe, school them? If so, there is no reason to keep them out of the country. The second condition is that they don't have a criminal record.
Why not seal the border? Well, for one, futility. No matter what we do, people find ways to enter the country. So really, we're kicking and screaming, we're pouring countless resources in to fight a "problem" that is probably never going to be resolved.
Second, aside from pure xenophobia and/or racism, I haven't heard a good argument yet for why we should try to stem the tide of immigrants in to this vast country of ours. You have to admit, that's part of the equation. Nobody would complain if a bunch of blond hair, blue eyed, English speaking Canadians were crossing the border en masse. So I think we need to be mature and ask ourselves if xenophobia is really a good enough reason to literally build a fence between ourselves and our neighbors.
No. Population migrations are a natural phenomenon. It's been going on forever. Massive governments and their laws and walls are artificial phenomenon. Nature will find a way.
Tell that to the American Indians.
But, in later times, I agree.
No country has infinite resources able to sustain infinite population numbers. Certainly the USA doesn't. The people of the US have the right to expect its government to know who has come into our country, why they have come here, and where they are located. It doesn't know any of that about people who come here illegally. Starting with Reagan's amnesty in the 1980s (which I supported at the time), illegal immigration doubles everytime a president even whispers that word. In California alone, 70 hospitals and medical facilities have been forced to close because the enormous burden of providing "free" OB/GYN care to illegals... while being forbidden by law from even inquiring about their legal status. This is unacceptable.
And brings me to my next thought. We should amend the constitution to rescind the automatic citizenship rule. Made sense when we were nation-building in the 1800's and early 1900's (when nearly all immigrants came through Ellis Island and were processed). Does not make sense now, especially when "anchor babies" (yes, I know some people get uppity about the term, but that's exactly what it is) encourage illegals to give birth here to American citizens, which are then immediately afforded access to entitlements... otherwise known as taxpayer money. I'd rewrite the law to state that at least one biological parent must already be a citizen, by birth or naturalization.
Yes, we need to make it much easier for productive foreign nationals to enter the US legally, so they can work, pay taxes, contribute to the country. I'm all in favor of that. But first we need to control the borders and keep track of who is inside our own country.
Most people don't think about the original Europeans not being "native" - I'm glad you're an exception.When the first Europeans arrived in America, the North American Indians out numbered them. At the time the American Indian was native born. At no time in America's history have immigrants ever out numbered the native born. Immigrants have always been less than 10 % of the population. The vast majority of the colonist during the American Revolution were native born. I believe every signature on the Declaration of Independence was native born except for one or two.
We have never been a country of immigrants. That's a myth. The native born have always been the majority.
We are a country of LEGAL immigrants not illegal immigrants if someone wants to come here, they do it legally.
And it still is. :lamo
If every single person in Mexico came to the United States, the native born Americans would still be the majority. :2wave:
The US population is 350 million, the Mexican population is 100 million. :lamo
Well right now according to the Mexican government, 10% of Mexico's citizens are already occupying the United States.
Actually I think the number is a little higher than the Mexican or U.S. government want to admit.
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