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Should we cancel Thanksgiving and the 4th of July?

Should we cancel Thanksgiving and the 4th of July?


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Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?

I chalk up most of my nephews political views to being college age but over a weekend BBQ they seemed pretty adamant that some of our public (federally recognized) holidays were insensitive to minorities in this country. They seemed to view Thanksgiving and July 4th as particularly offensive.
 
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Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?
The reason we'd discuss/consider Thanksgiving is pretty obvious but could you explain how "changing demographics" would impact the propriety of celebrating the 4th of July?

Far as I know we don't have such a large expat British population that our having kicked their ass a few centuries ago would be such a social taboo.
 

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Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?
Ethically? Probably. But I love turkey so I celebrate thanksgiving even though I'm not American or in America :)
 
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Your nephews are wrong. We should keep the holidays.
 

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I see no reason to cancel either of them
 

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Their is nothing wrong with firework fun especially since I know a grand spot to watch the AC casino fireworks. Thanksgiving is like Columbus day a bit wrong since it has to do with the death of native people.
 

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Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?

I chalk up most of my nephews political views to being college age but over a weekend BBQ they seemed pretty adamant that some of our public (federally recognized) holidays were insensitive to minorities in this country. They seemed to view Thanksgiving and July 4th as particularly offensive.
This point of view is repugnant and offensive, as well as being wrong and stupid!
And if these people really find things offensive, then what do they propose as alternatives ?
 

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The reason we'd discuss/consider Thanksgiving is pretty obvious but could you explain how "changing demographics" would impact the propriety of celebrating the 4th of July?

Far as I know we don't have such a large expat British population that our having kicked their ass a few centuries ago would be such a social taboo.
I don't believe we should do away with either holiday but I guess the thought process is that we're essentially celebrating the actions of what is seen as a single ethnicity, white.
 

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these complainers need to learn tolerance....and they need to return to school and just plain learn !
Maybe the "school" is not up to this task ?
 

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All holidays are insensitive to the clinically depressed and the pathologically humorless - two minorities that seem to be growing by leaps and bounds. And even if we replace all current festivities with one egalitarian Day When You Buy Gifts For No Reason Whatsoever, it will be deeply offensive for the very poor, the anti-commercialists, and the stingy. Ergo, no more holidays, period.

Also, I think everyone should wear burkas, just in case. Even men. Especially men, now that I think about it.
 

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Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?

I chalk up most of my nephews political views to being college age but over a weekend BBQ they seemed pretty adamant that some of our public (federally recognized) holidays were insensitive to minorities in this country. They seemed to view Thanksgiving and July 4th as particularly offensive.
Just call it Thanksstealing and leave the 4 day holiday. The turkey will give its life for the sins of the European invaders.
 

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Their is nothing wrong with firework fun especially since I know a grand spot to watch the AC casino fireworks. Thanksgiving is like Columbus day a bit wrong since it has to do with the death of native people.
Thanksgiving has to do with the death of the Native people or did I just read this wrong?

If so, that is a new one on me.....
 

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Their is nothing wrong with firework fun especially since I know a grand spot to watch the AC casino fireworks. Thanksgiving is like Columbus day a bit wrong since it has to do with the death of native people.

Thats a new one..............
People who do not know what Thanksgiving is about should NOT celebrate it, or they should learn about it.....either way....
Maybe we should not have a Columbus Day; but a Discovery Day instead....actually Columbus discovered nothing....nothing that had already been discovered...
The far truer pioneers were the Vikings and the "native Americans".
 

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No one is forcing your nephews to celebrate squat. Personally if they were my nephews I would tell them to quit their whining and grow the **** up.

Thanksgiving really is just a harvest celebration. And the 4th, well it will only not become a Federal holiday when there is no US of A to celebrate. Perhaps they should move to a country that fits them better?
 

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All holidays are insensitive to the clinically depressed and the pathologically humorless - two minorities that seem to be growing by leaps and bounds. And even if we replace all current festivities with one egalitarian Day When You Buy Gifts For No Reason Whatsoever, it will be deeply offensive for the very poor, the anti-commercialists, and the stingy. Ergo, no more holidays, period.

Also, I think everyone should wear burkas, just in case. Even men. Especially men, now that I think about it.
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I don't believe we should do away with either holiday but I guess the thought process is that we're essentially celebrating the actions of what is seen as a single ethnicity, white.
If so, I think that's just dumb.

I think the same standard could be applied to Martin Luther King Jr. Day. I still think it would be a dumb standard, but it applies in a sense.

I'd think that Columbus Day would be higher in the running for demolition than the 4th. Or maybe even Christmas (we being a secular nation and all thhat).

In the end I'm not in favor of any of them ending up on the cutting room floor, but of the bunhc I see the least call for cutting Independence Day.
 

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Thats a new one..............
People who do not know what Thanksgiving is about should NOT celebrate it, or they should learn about it.....either way....
Maybe we should not have a Columbus Day; but a Discovery Day instead....actually Columbus discovered nothing....nothing that had already been discovered...
The far truer pioneers were the Vikings and the "native Americans".
Columbus Day is particularly weird because Columbus was objectively a failure in his efforts. The man thought he'd found The Indies because he grossly underestimated the size o the earth, despite the fact that th actual size of the earth was pretty well known by then.
 

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This point of view is repugnant and offensive, as well as being wrong and stupid!
And if these people really find things offensive, then what do they propose as alternatives ?
Well don't you know? If you find something offensive for any reason the appropriate response is to try to make sure nobody else gets to do it.
 

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Thats a new one..............
People who do not know what Thanksgiving is about should NOT celebrate it, or they should learn about it.....either way....
Maybe we should not have a Columbus Day; but a Discovery Day instead....actually Columbus discovered nothing....nothing that had already been discovered...
The far truer pioneers were the Vikings and the "native Americans".
I don't call them Native Americans since they probably did not want to become Americans in the first place so I call them Natives since they are Native to the area . Learning history is always a good thing though ...
 

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Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?

I chalk up most of my nephews political views to being college age but over a weekend BBQ they seemed pretty adamant that some of our public (federally recognized) holidays were insensitive to minorities in this country. They seemed to view Thanksgiving and July 4th as particularly offensive.
Without knowing what they found offensive, it's rather hard to discuss their thoughts. I can't imagine what would be offensive about celebrating the birth of our nation, but to each their own.

I wonder what Federal holidays they'd like to see? None? Tell them to get a job; they'll have less time to contemplate supposed slights.
 

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Thanksgiving has to do with the death of the Native people or did I just read this wrong?

If so, that is a new one on me.....
Mostly we break bread they help us and in return we take their land and kill their people . Any talk of the atrocities in school have been kept to a minimum and I had to find out about the small pox blankets on the history channel .
 

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I don't call them Native Americans since they probably did not want to become Americans in the first place so I call them Natives since they are Native to the area . Learning history is always a good thing though ...
"America" doesn't only refer to this nation, but two entire continents.

Either is better than Indian, though, because I'm not sure if anybody noticed but this area is not even remotely close to India.
 

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Mostly we break bread they help us and in return we take their land and kill their people . Any talk of the atrocities in school have been kept to a minimum and I had to find out about the small pox blankets on the history channel .
A wee bit of a time difference between the two occasions....

Thanksgiving was celebrated WITH the Native Americans. The atrocities came later...
 

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"America" doesn't only refer to this nation, but two entire continents.

Either is better than Indian, though, because I'm not sure if anybody noticed but this area is not even remotely close to India.
I don't call them Indians but natives , not Native Americans . They are called Indians because that is where Columba's thought he was at . Their are two Americas , North and south .
 
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