Should we bring back public executions?

[Vandeervecken]

Another worthless right wing push poll.

Too bad, it might have engendered some decent discussion if the poll was a reasonable one.

 

[Deegan]

Another worthless right wing push poll.

Too bad, it might have engendered some decent discussion if the poll was a reasonable one.

......and you were not in a cabin in the woods, waiting for the next FBI, ATF drag net........:rofl

 

[George_Washington]

:rofl So on one side of this debate we have GW, JamesRage and PTSDKID! Wow! It's like a dream team of radical right ideology, the perfect storm, all coming together to bring back public executions.

lmao. Dude, relax. I am not a radical right winger. I'm a centrist. I'm moderate. Come on man, you said before how you respected me so don't treat me like I'm some kind of nutjob. Look, if you agree that the dealth penalty is a form of justice...why would it be so bad to have it displayed publically? What if it actually would cut down on crime? It may sound barbaric to you but think how barbaric people like Charles Manson are. You think Manson is really suffering to this day? Hell no. He has millions of fans writing him letters, he gets interviewed from time to time, and he gets television as far as I know. The horrible crimes he committed back in the 60's were just horrendous. I feel very sorry for Sharon Tate and to this day, I don't think her family has received the kind of justice that they deserve.

Think about it. You claim that public executions would be barbaric. Well, ask yourself: What is more barbaric? Hearing about horrible crimes such as the former on television or witnessing justice being delivered to the innocent? What would be more barbaric: Witnessing the criminal be executed or having your children watch his life story on ABC, in a form of glorification?

Is it more barbaric to watch justice being delivered or to slide crimes under the rug, sit in our safe suburbs, and pretend they don't exist? Besides, if executions were public, that would probably cut down on the chance that the prisoners would be abused in any way.

 

[jamesrage]

Mr. Rage, you're the dude who wants to start a 24 hour Execution Channel! Who knows where you're extreme views will end?

Is it the" if they execute murderers and pedophilers they will eventually execute bra burners rhetoric"?Talk about a stawman argument.

I never equated anything except that anyone who believes in an eye for an eye, especially in a public setting is morally bankrupt and way, way out of touch with America and Americans.

Why is publicly executing a murderer or pedophiler morally bankrupt?Is it because you say so?

So you're against Laura Bush, Condi Rice, McCain, NAncy Reagan, Arlen Specter and every other American who is pro-choice?

I am against anyone who would murder a innocent baby.

None of us has any right to talk about morality...but you do, the guy who wants to kill people in public for who knows what crimes?

For what crimes?I already stated murder and pedophilia

Let me guess? You think 2+2=5?

All I am is saying why the hell give two shits what happens to pedophiler or murderer?You must feel sorry for them to want their worthless lives spared.

I don't feel sorry for criminals at all I just have evolved beyond the 14th century thinking that your posts promote, sorry.

Keep telling yourself and one day you will actually beleave that horseshit.

So when George Bush got a woman pregnant way back when and she had an abortion he should now be put to death, publicly

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Where the hell did you hear that at?It sounds like leftist vermin hosrseshit.

Since you want to kill people who have abortions, does that then include all the personnel who work in hospitals that perform abortions,

They are just as guilty as the person who performs the abortion.

 

[George_Washington]

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Where the hell did you hear that at?It sounds like leftist vermin hosrseshit.

lol Dude, I love your sig. It's awesome.

 

[cherokee]

And you wonder why people find Americans ignorant and evil?

Evil is when you allow a man who rapes kids to live out his life in jail where he gets 3 meals each day, free room and board and free healthcare costing the taxpayers $10k to $25k each year.

 

[Gaivs Ivlivs]

If a sick and sadastic bastard rapes and murders 11 year old girls, what compassion does he deserve?

Oh... ok so we should publicly kill "sick and sadistic bastards" so that the others(like you) can get their jollys from watching someone die.

I am not opposed to the death penalty and I certainly do not beleive in letting criminals get off easy(I fully support chain gangs etc...) but what you are advocating is purely and simply disgusting.

 

[Gaivs Ivlivs]

I am not a radical right winger. I'm a centrist. I'm moderate.

I slept with Jennifer Aniston last night... did I tell you.

 

[George_Washington]

I am not opposed to the death penalty and I certainly do not beleive in letting criminals get off easy(I fully support chain gangs etc...) but what you are advocating is purely and simply disgusting.

How is it purely and simply disgusting? I'm not talking about executing just anyone. I'm referring to only the worst criminals of the lot. Why is it so, "shocking" when so many other nations around the world have such stiffer penalties on crimes than we do? In Singapore, people who commit grand theft are cained. Instead of just immediately jumping to a conclusion, why don't you just consider that possibly my idea would lower the crime rate and send a message to criminals.

 

[26 X World Champs]

lmao. Dude, relax. I am not a radical right winger. I'm a centrist. I'm moderate. Come on man, you said before how you respected me so don't treat me like I'm some kind of nutjob.

I love you GW! I went to GWU (Ranked 10th in the nation this week in Men's BBall) but this thread is a "nutjob" thread, I'm sorry! What kind of civilization publicly executes criminals? It's barbaric and sadistic...I cannot condone it on any level regardless of the circumstance.

lLook, if you agree that the dealth penalty is a form of justice...why would it be so bad to have it displayed publically?

I don't believe in the death penalty or an eye for an eye. I like to think that my tenets have evolved from the barbarism of our past.

What if it actually would cut down on crime?

But it is an indisputable fact that it does not stop any crime so your point is moot. What ifs don't work in the face of statistics that prove otherwise.

lThink about it. You claim that public executions would be barbaric. Well, ask yourself: What is more barbaric? Hearing about horrible crimes such as the former on television or witnessing justice being delivered to the innocent? What would be more barbaric: Witnessing the criminal be executed or having your children watch his life story on ABC, in a form of glorification?

So two acts of barbarism cancel each other out? Two wrongs make a right? Not in my book, ever. What do you think children would learn from watching someone die vs. locking someone up forever? Your evaluation of Manson's life today is not fact based so I cannot respond to it. Let's just deal in facts, OK?

Besides, if executions were public, that would probably cut down on the chance that the prisoners would be abused in any way.

I have no idea what you mean nor do I think that is in any way relevant? Are you suggesting that if you publicly execute someone they will be less abused? How can anyone be more abused than to be publicly executed? C'mon George, you're smarter than this!

 

[jamesrage]

I slept with Jennifer Aniston last night... did I tell you.

I didn't know she did charity work.

 

[jamesrage]

Evil is when you allow a man who rapes kids to live out his life in jail where he gets 3 meals each day, free room and board and free healthcare costing the taxpayers $10k to $25k each year.

How is it justice when the victim's family they have to support the person who murdered their loved one?What kind of justice is it to tell the victims they have to support the person who molested their daughter or son?This is why murderers and pedophiler must be executed.

 

[kal-el]

How is it purely and simply disgusting?

By the state carrying out an execution, in doing this, it becomes liable for prosecution and execution.

I'm not talking about executing just anyone. I'm referring to only the worst criminals of the lot.

Yea, they're already going to hell, so why don't we just hasten their journey. What a cop-out. It's far more costly to kill them, that is if the execution is appealed.

Why is it so, "shocking" when so many other nations around the world have such stiffer penalties on crimes than we do? In Singapore, people who commit grand theft are cained.

Yes, and we and Japan are the only industrialized countries that still enact the Death penalty. I think that should tell you something.

Instead of just immediately jumping to a conclusion, why don't you just consider that possibly my idea would lower the crime rate and send a message to criminals.

Ahh, I see. Public executions. How would you like if you were driving by and a crowd assembled in front of a courthouse, and armed pedestrains were shooting someone. I would think that public executions would only brutalize society more than it already is.

 

[jamesrage]

Ahh, I see. Public executions. How would you like if you were driving by and a crowd assembled in front of a courthouse, and armed pedestrains were shooting someone. I would think that public executions would only brutalize society more than it already is.

So your logic is that if we allow public executions then people will run around with guns and shoot each other?They already do that.Have you ever been to the projects/project housing neighborhoods?

So if we went with your logic that things will get more extream if we allow public executions,then we can say that moving away from the death penalty will lead to criminals over time being slapped on the wrist for commiting henious crimes.

 

[kal-el]

So your logic is that if we allow public executions then people will run around with guns and shoot each other?They already do

O, so we should take the law into our own hands. Vigilante justice? I honestly don't see how public executions will lower the crime rate, because are we gonna execute one for a petty offense, C'mon now?

.Have you ever been to the projects/project housing neighborhoods?

Preposterous manifesto. If public executions are such a spendid idea, how come no civilized country performs them?

So if we went with your logic that things will get more extream if we allow public executions,then we can say that moving away from the death penalty will lead to criminals over time being slapped on the wrist for commiting henious crimes.

Haha, kill the killer. Rape the rapist. Your so OT.:lol:

 

[George_Washington]

Yes, and we and Japan are the only industrialized countries that still enact the Death penalty. I think that should tell you something.

We are also one of the few industrialized countries without a nation healthcare system and that allows freedom of gun ownership. Does that also mean we should abandon our beliefs just because, "Everyone else is doing it" ?

Ahh, I see. Public executions. How would you like if you were driving by and a crowd assembled in front of a courthouse, and armed pedestrains were shooting someone. I would think that public executions would only brutalize society more than it already is.

And would you also object to how the Nazis were executed in front of US, Russian, British, and dozens of other people that were from a variety of different backgrounds? We also took pictures of it, that are widely available for the public to see:

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Nazi-Execution-Smith16oct46.htm

Tell me, would you have objected to this act of obviously public execution? Or maybe we should have given these Nazi Leaders, who slaughtered millions of innocent Jews, homosexuals, Gypsies, a little bit more compassion. That would of course have been humane, right Kal-El? That word, "humane," what a colorful synonym of itself...

 

[Befuddled_Stoner]

As interesting as it would be to see pro-wrestling style death row gladiators, I just can't bring myself to advocate the side of ptsdkid and jamesrage.

 

[George_Washington]

So two acts of barbarism cancel each other out? Two wrongs make a right? Not in my book, ever. What do you think children would learn from watching someone die vs. locking someone up forever? Your evaluation of Manson's life today is not fact based so I cannot respond to it. Let's just deal in facts, OK?

How is what I said not based on fact? He gets interviewed every few years or so, he has tv shows and films made about his life, and he gets fan letters from whackos all over the country. If you don't believe me, just look it up. We glorify criminals like him by giving them mountains of media coverage. But that's not barbaric, right? It's not barbaric to glorify a criminal and give a false impression to children, as we've done for so many years in so many different media venues, but when I mention giving media coverage to the terms of their conviction, you object? Hmm...

I have no idea what you mean nor do I think that is in any way relevant? Are you suggesting that if you publicly execute someone they will be less abused? How can anyone be more abused than to be publicly executed? C'mon George, you're smarter than this!

Yes, that's right I am smart. I'm smart enough to think for myself and not go along with public pressure or what my current generation believes to be right.

 

[kal-el]

We are also one of the few industrialized countries without a nation healthcare system and that allows freedom of gun ownership. Does that also mean we should abandon our beliefs just because, "Everyone else is doing it" ?

No, I'm not saying that because "everyone else is doing it". You believe killing's wrong, right? And of course you think it's punishable? What's the difference between state-sanctioned murder then? Why can we allow the state to kill people, basically to send the message that killing's wrong in the first place?

And would you also object to how the Nazis were executed in front of US, Russian, British, and dozens of other people that were from a variety of different backgrounds?

Of course. To think that I condone killing, you must be apparitional, either that or straight up intellectually decrpit.:lol:

We also took pictures of it, that are widely available for the public to see:

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Nazi-Execution-Smith16oct46.htm

Yes, what do these pics prove? I suppose you think they deserved to be killed. Maybe they did, but who granted us the authority to judge?

Tell me, would you have objected to this act of obviously public execution?

Uhh, yea.

Or maybe we should have given these Nazi Leaders, who slaughtered millions of innocent Jews, homosexuals, Gypsies, a little bit more compassion. That would of course have been humane, right Kal-El? That word, "humane," what a colorful synonym of itself...

Well, what if these same criminals were judged by the German members of the National Socialist party? I'm sure you'd feel the same if Baath party judge ruled Saddam's case. I'm not saying they should go unpunished, if we wish to be a model for the rest of the world, what an example we are showing in killing someone.

 

[jamesrage]

O, so we should take the law into our own hands. Vigilante justice? I honestly don't see how public executions will lower the crime rate, because are we gonna execute one for a petty offense, C'mon now?:

The thread title did not say anything about executing for minor offenses.Unless you think murder and rapeare minor offenses.

Preposterous manifesto. If public executions are such a spendid idea, how come no civilized country performs them?

Becasue it is hard to drag a electric chair to the middle of town.

Haha, kill the killer. Rape the rapist. Your so OT.:lol

At least I am not some sissy who feals sorry for these vermin.

 

[26 X World Champs]

The thread title did not say anything about executing for minor offenses.Unless you think murder and rape are minor offenses.

So now you're advocating the death penalty for rape, and not only the death penalty, but public execution no less!

Becasue it is hard to drag a electric chair to the middle of town.

So despite the Supreme Court ruling that it would be "Cruel and Unusual Punishment" you would still be OK with acting like you're living in the Middle Ages? We, as Americans should regress back to a time that allowed for public executions because of what, exactly? Revenge? An Eye for an Eye? Are you a sadist that would enjoy being a voyeur at someone's execution?

At least I am not some sissy who feals sorry for these vermin.

So anyone who disagrees with you regarding public execution is a "sissy"? Pathetic, again. I think it takes a helluva lot more masculinity to stand up for what is right even if you're defending the worst amongst us!

It's ridiculous to write that people feel sorry for murders, rapists, et al. Talk about an absurd argument! Rage is perfect for you, you know? It means:

rage( P ) Pronunciation Key (rj)
n.
1. Violent, explosive anger. See Synonyms at anger.
2. A fit of anger

 

[George_Washington]

So despite the Supreme Court ruling that it would be "Cruel and Unusual Punishment" you would still be OK with acting like you're living in the Middle Ages? We, as Americans should regress back to a time that allowed for public executions because of what, exactly? Revenge? An Eye for an Eye? Are you a sadist that would enjoy being a voyeur at someone's execution?

Why do liberals always act like the Supreme Court is like this super brillant entity that never makes mistakes? All I ever hear from liberals is, "The Supreme Court said it, so it must be true, blah blah blah." I don't care what the hell the Supreme Court says. I don't think about things and then make up my mind because some 70 year geezer in a long robe who thinks his, "crap don't stink" advocates a certain point of view. Champs, what James and I are talking about is not revenge or an eye for an eye. We're talking about justice and sending a message to criminals. You claim it's barbaric but the idea of barbarism is subjective. There are many things in our society that somebody from a foreign culture could view as barbaric. I could list a whole slew of things. Back in ancient times...although Rome was regarded as the wealthiest and cultural city, many people of Germania and Scandinavia regarded Rome as barbaric and uncivilized. And it could be said that in many ways, Rome was. So barbarism is relative to one's point of view. I'm not saying morality neccessarily is for the most part but cultural elements can be.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Why do liberals always act like the Supreme Court is like this super brillant entity that never makes mistakes? All I ever hear from liberals is, "The Supreme Court said it, so it must be true, blah blah blah." I don't care what the hell the Supreme Court says. I don't think about things and then make up my mind because some 70 year geezer in a long robe who thinks his, "crap don't stink" advocates a certain point of view. Champs, what James and I are talking about is not revenge or an eye for an eye. We're talking about justice and sending a message to criminals.

The message is worthless because it's a proven fact that the death penalty does not dissuade capital crimes. This is indisputable fact. Therefore if executions do not stop crime then the "message to criminals" that your sending is not being received so therefore it does then revert to sadism and revenge.

Re The Supreme Court...if we're to be a country of laws by and for the people it is mandatory that a separate judicial branch exist, and that they have the ultimate authority to interpret the Constitution. That is what this country is all about so for you to call them worthless or that you can care less what they think is the equivalent of $hitting on old GW himself, not to mention all of the patriots who fought and to this day fight for our freedoms.

Cruel and Unusual punishment is Unconstitutional, period. Why? Because we're not a society of sadists or revengaholics, we have evolved to be an example to the rest of the world of how advanced our civilization is becoming and the whole premise of this thread defeats that evolution and lowers America to dearth of backwards nations like Iran, Saudi Arabia and Libya where it's citizens are sadistically punished in the manner that you're advocating.

Not trying to be rude, but damn George, that's psychopathic, really, it is! You want the USA to have the same criminal punishments as those countries????

 

[George_Washington]

The message is worthless because it's a proven fact that the death penalty does not dissuade capital crimes. This is indisputable fact.

I don't think it's really a, "proven fact" as you claim it is. I am sure whatever evidence you looked at could be interpreted a number of different ways. But anyway, just deterring crimes isn't the only purpose the dealth penalty. It's to enact justice to the victims' families. It's the principle of the issue that matters most.

Re The Supreme Court...if we're to be a country of laws by and for the people it is mandatory that a separate judicial branch exist, and that they have the ultimate authority to interpret the Constitution. That is what this country is all about so for you to call them worthless or that you can care less what they think is the equivalent of $hitting on old GW himself, not to mention all of the patriots who fought and to this day fight for our freedoms.

Screw the Supreme Court. The whole thing has become just a big joke anyway, considering some of the idiots that have been up there in the last 30years. The courts have too much power in this country and that's what a lot of our problems stem from. The courts can actually hinder the natural democratic process when they go against what was voted on by the people through their congressman and senators. I'm not saying we should eliminate the judicial branch but I think when our constitution was ratified, we gave the Supreme Court too much power and took too much power away from the executive branch. The Federalist Party had written extensively about this.

Cruel and Unusual punishment is Unconstitutional, period. Why? Because we're not a society of sadists or revengaholics, we have evolved to be an example to the rest of the world of how advanced our civilization is becoming and the whole premise of this thread defeats that evolution and lowers America to dearth of backwards nations like Iran, Saudi Arabia and Libya where it's citizens are sadistically punished in the manner that you're advocating.

As I've stated: Barbarism versus civilization is relative. The dealth penalty is not about being a sadist or a revengaholic. It's about justice and doing what is morally right according to the victim and his or her loved ones.

Not trying to be rude, but damn George, that's psychopathic, really, it is! You want the USA to have the same criminal punishments as those countries????

lol Come on, man. Psychopathic? There are many elements of the Muslim states that I would never advocate for America. I've said on this forum how against those repressive governments I am. I'm not trying to copy them, I'm basing my ideas more on European ones from the 1700's and prior. There were many brillant and intellectual European scholars from that time period that advocated the death penalty.

 

[saffron]

So you compare stealing to murder?You compare adultery to raping little children?

I'm not comparing anything. I'm just stating what I know to be true.

It seems that you are the extreamist if you find these things to be equal in serverity.

Well it seems you are deranged if this is what you read in my post.

You people want to talk about "Oh that is something the arab extreamist would do" and yet there are morons who support abortion,euthinasia,pulling the plug on handicaps people which seems like something from Hitlers nazi germany.

You sound like a freak of nature. :roll: :roll: And very irrational.:doh :roll: