Should Trump Be Impeached?

[Risky Thicket]

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Based on today's news, in which Michael Cohen implicated Trump in felony charges (campaign finance law violations), do you agree with Nixon's Counsel that Trump should be impeached?

If Cohen is guilty I cannot see how Trump would not be impeached. If a president breaks the law he/she should be impeached. Other presidents faced impeachment for much less.

Butttttttttttttttt, I believe that if Trump were impeached and tried and found guilty the resulting ascendance of Mike Pence would provide the nation and the world no respite. Pence in his own way will be as bad as or worse than Donald Trump.

If the fit keeps hitting the shan, as it appears it might, I don't know that impeachment could be avoided.

Whether Trump is impeached or not it will take years to repair the damage his administration has done to the United States. Trump's evil legacy will remain with us for quite a while. I hope we learn from it.

 

[Mach]

while the former president in question is prosecuted in criminal court would seem… well, like a waste of everyone’s time.

It's all a gamble I suppose. I have argued your position with my wife, the only issue is some of these may pass statute of limitations if he's out by 2020.
And if he's not out by 2020, oops. Stakes are high.

 

[Phys251]

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Based on today's news, in which Michael Cohen implicated Trump in felony charges (campaign finance law violations), do you agree with Nixon's Counsel that Trump should be impeached?

tRump should be impeached if and only if he is can be shown beyond any reasonable doubt to have committed bribery, treason, or other high crimes or misdemeanors.

But if I'm a betting man, I'd put my money on saying that he can be.

 

[apdst]

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Based on today's news, in which Michael Cohen implicated Trump in felony charges (campaign finance law violations), do you agree with Nixon's Counsel that Trump should be impeached?

Another bait poll? Really??

 

[Tanngrisnir]

It is too early in the process to impeach. If solid proof(hint: allegations are not solid proof) of criminal activity by Trump is shown, then and only then should impeachment be considered.

He could have been impeached from week one if Congress weren't bought and paid for. Starting at emoluments and going downwards from there.

We are a nation of cowards.

 

[Moderate Right]

Horrible selections on the poll there. Not voting.

What do you expect from a liberal infected with TDS? Hell, these guys were talking about impeachment before Trump took office. Here we are almost to 2019 and we have yet another impeach Trump thread.

 

[HumblePi]

At this time, witness tampering and attempted obstruction.

However, Trump will not be impeached no matter what Mueller finds. The GOP is to craven at this point. Personally, I don't want him impeached because Pence is worse. Trump is dangerous and totally incompetent, but we've got to live with that for a couple more years.

I don't want to see them try to impeach him because it will fail. There's never been a president that has actually been removed from office because they were impeached in our history. Had Nixon not resigned, his impeachment by the House and removal from office by a trial before the United States Senate would have occurred. The other two–Andrew Johnson in 1868 and Bill Clinton in 1998–were both impeached; however, both were also acquitted from all charges following a Senate trial, and thus allowed to remain in office. The impeachment process against Nixon is the only one resulting in the departure from office of its target, but he resigned.

I'd say it's wiser to let any impeachment articles be left alone, all it would do even if successful would force him to leave office and never be able to seek public office ever again. The GOP Senate will not vote for impeachment, no matter what he does. Impeachment requires 2/3rds of the Senate and that's never going to happen.

Indictments that fall the day after he leaves office is what will put him and some family members behind bars. His lawyers fees will be on his back not on the back of the U.S. Government.

 

[HumblePi]

It's all a gamble I suppose. I have argued your position with my wife, the only issue is some of these may pass statute of limitations if he's out by 2020.
And if he's not out by 2020, oops. Stakes are high.

He'll be out by 2020 unless the Russians invade us through Mexico before 2020.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

I don't want to see them try to impeach him because it will fail. There's never been a president that has actually been removed from office because they were impeached in our history. Had Nixon not resigned, his impeachment by the House and removal from office by a trial before the United States Senate would have occurred. The other two–Andrew Johnson in 1868 and Bill Clinton in 1998–were both impeached; however, both were also acquitted from all charges following a Senate trial, and thus allowed to remain in office. The impeachment process against Nixon is the only one resulting in the departure from office of its target, but he resigned.

I'd say it's wiser to let any impeachment articles be left alone, all it would do even if successful would force him to leave office and never be able to seek public office ever again. The GOP Senate will not vote for impeachment, no matter what he does. Impeachment requires 2/3rds of the Senate and that's never going to happen.

Indictments that fall the day after he leaves office is what will put him and some family members behind bars. His lawyers fees will be on his back not on the back of the U.S. Government.

I don't disagree.

 

[Mach]

He'll be out by 2020 unless the Russians invade us through Mexico before 2020.

I wish I shared your optimism.

 

[Cardinal]

Based on the facts that he

1) has been shown to be a tax fraud,
2) knowingly allowed his lawyer to lie to Congress in order to stymie the Russia investigation,
3) obstructed justice repeatedly through...
a)firing Comey and later firing Sessions,
b) a pattern of witness tampering and dangling pardons,
4) crafted his son's response about the Trump Tower meeting and lying about it,
5) defrauded the American people by lying that he had stopped pursuing the Trump Tower Moscow deal, thereby hiding the real motives for his unusually obsequious behavior toward the head of a hostile foreign country,
6) committed Federal crimes by ordering his lawyer to commit campaign finance violations,
7) profited off his Presidency through Emoluments violations,
8) lied to and misled the American people over six thousand times,
9) endangered the lives of journalists by repeatedly calling them the "enemy of the people,"
10) exacerbated the political divide by repeatedly demonizing Democrats,
11) acted with extreme negligence with regards to the hurricane in Puerto Rico,
12) knowingly appointed an unregistered foreign agent to the post of National Security Advisor,
13) repeatedly took the side of White Supremacists,

I say he is not only a criminal but is also an abomination to our country and our values, and as such needs to be impeached before he can fracture the country's people, degrade the rule of law, degrade our alliances and destroy our Democratic institutions any more than he already has.

 

[Gaea]

Well, Gaea, considering Michael Cohen plead guilty to lying to Congress, would you stake anything on the absolute veracity of his statements? Or are you only convinced that he is telling the unvarnished truth when his statements are in your political favor?

Unless Cohen is lying now about lying to Congress (and did not actually lie to Congress, but is now lying in court instead), then yes, I believe he is being truthful about being directed by Trump to pay off the porn stars. The reason he was charged with lying to Congress is because he testified before Congress saying Trump did NOT direct him to pay off the porn stars, but instead paid them off out of pocket.

 

[earthworm]

Horrible selections on the poll there. Not voting.

As usual, excessive control, poor selection .. The "I do not know" is missing .
I think its a split, a divide .. Far too many deserve a Donald trump, and with the GOP dominated Senate, an impeachment will go nowhere..even if he merits it . I do not think an impeachment would be to the benefit of our nation.

 

[Gaea]

As of now, nothing has been proven that Trump has committed a felony or any crime that would warrant impeachment. Impeachment talk to me seems more like a partisan political vendetta that began the day after Trump was elected by the Democrats. Sour grapes for losing an election. Sure, Trump is easy to dislike, I don't care for him one bit. But disliking or even hating a president is not grounds for impeachment. How one feels about Trump is a very partisan thing. Democrats hate him and want him removed, Republicans love him and want him to stay. So how do independents, the less to non-partisans feel, those who don't affiliate with either major party? Here's how they view Mueller's investigation. Question 21. Witch hunt or legitimate investigation
Do you think the FBI investigation of President Trump is a witch hunt or a legitimate investigation?

39% of independents view his investigation as legit, 36% as a witch hunt. Fairly evenly split.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/yoolhxrark/econTabReport.pdf

For impeachment to work, a good majority of all Americans must be for it, not just Democrats who set out to destroy Trump the day after the election.

I didn't think Trump should be impeached on day 1. In fact, until Trump fired James Comey, I thought the Russia investigation was about as serious as the Bengazi investigation of Hillary. (in other words, not very.)

 

[HumblePi]

I wish I shared your optimism.

I'm sure it's going to be okay and as I said yesterday, Trump is exactly what this country needed. These criminal elements that have been lingering behind the shadows like Leslie McCrae Dowless in N. Carolina. These things have been going on for years and we've turned our backs on all that dirty business. Thanks to Trump, everyone is more suspicious, more alert, and more on our game. Going forward, post-Trump, we're going to take to task any president that cozies up to dictators, that violates the emolument clause, or that doesn't show his tax records for the past 10 years prior to being a candidate for president.

Things will change, and all for the better. We should have gotten to this place of reality long ago but it took a son of a bitch like Trump and his band of Godfather type sycophants to open our eyes to this level of corruption.

 

[upsideguy]

Committing felonies is an impeachable offense. However, there isn't yet enough in the public domain to warrant impeachment, yet.

That said, the trajectory of what is bleeding out suggests that we may get to stage where impeachment is not only warranted, it will be required.

 

[Cattle Company]

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Based on today's news, in which Michael Cohen implicated Trump in felony charges (campaign finance law violations), do you agree with Nixon's Counsel that Trump should be impeached?

No, because Muellers people are well known for threatening and intimidating people to lie. The Mueller probe has lost all credibility.

 

[Cattle Company]

Based on the facts that he

1) has been shown to be a tax fraud,
2) knowingly allowed his lawyer to lie to Congress in order to stymie the Russia investigation,
3) obstructed justice repeatedly through...
a)firing Comey and later firing Sessions,
b) a pattern of witness tampering and dangling pardons,
4) crafted his son's response about the Trump Tower meeting and lying about it,
5) defrauded the American people by lying that he had stopped pursuing the Trump Tower Moscow deal, thereby hiding the real motives for his unusually obsequious behavior toward the head of a hostile foreign country,
6) committed Federal crimes by ordering his lawyer to commit campaign finance violations,
7) profited off his Presidency through Emoluments violations,
8) lied to and misled the American people over six thousand times,
9) endangered the lives of journalists by repeatedly calling them the "enemy of the people,"
10) exacerbated the political divide by repeatedly demonizing Democrats,
11) acted with extreme negligence with regards to the hurricane in Puerto Rico,
12) knowingly appointed an unregistered foreign agent to the post of National Security Advisor,
13) repeatedly took the side of White Supremacists,

I say he is not only a criminal but is also an abomination to our country and our values, and as such needs to be impeached before he can fracture the country's people, degrade the rule of law, degrade our alliances and destroy our Democratic institutions any more than he already has.

Thats a heck of a lot of extrapolating. Is your toilet clogged up?

 

[Excon]

Based on the facts that he

1) has been shown to be a tax fraud,
2) knowingly allowed his lawyer to lie to Congress in order to stymie the Russia investigation,
3) obstructed justice repeatedly through...
a)firing Comey and later firing Sessions,
b) a pattern of witness tampering and dangling pardons,
4) crafted his son's response about the Trump Tower meeting and lying about it,
5) defrauded the American people by lying that he had stopped pursuing the Trump Tower Moscow deal, thereby hiding the real motives for his unusually obsequious behavior toward the head of a hostile foreign country,
6) committed Federal crimes by ordering his lawyer to commit campaign finance violations,
7) profited off his Presidency through Emoluments violations,
8) lied to and misled the American people over six thousand times,
9) endangered the lives of journalists by repeatedly calling them the "enemy of the people,"
10) exacerbated the political divide by repeatedly demonizing Democrats,
11) acted with extreme negligence with regards to the hurricane in Puerto Rico,
12) knowingly appointed an unregistered foreign agent to the post of National Security Advisor,
13) repeatedly took the side of White Supremacists,

I say he is not only a criminal but is also an abomination to our country and our values, and as such needs to be impeached before he can fracture the country's people, degrade the rule of law, degrade our alliances and destroy our Democratic institutions any more than he already has.

All bs.

 

[Cattle Company]

I'm sure it's going to be okay and as I said yesterday, Trump is exactly what this country needed. These criminal elements that have been lingering behind the shadows like Leslie McCrae Dowless in N. Carolina. These things have been going on for years and we've turned our backs on all that dirty business. Thanks to Trump, everyone is more suspicious, more alert, and more on our game. Going forward, post-Trump, we're going to take to task any president that cozies up to dictators, that violates the emolument clause, or that doesn't show his tax records for the past 10 years prior to being a candidate for president.

Things will change, and all for the better. We should have gotten to this place of reality long ago but it took a son of a bitch like Trump and his band of Godfather type sycophants to open our eyes to this level of corruption.

Hmmm! It sure opened my eyes on just how dishonest the democrats really are. All their so-called facts are based on their impeachment fantasy.

 

[Cattle Company]

All bs.

Aint it amazing how deviant valueless lefties wanna play like they're on a high horse as they lecture about values?

 

[HumblePi]

Hmmm! It sure opened my eyes on just how dishonest the democrats really are. All their so-called facts are based on their impeachment fantasy.

How can you call facts that were revealed by the Southern District Attorney General as 'so-called facts'? FACTS ARE FACTS, there is undeniable, certifiable, verifiable, evidence of crimes, serious crimes, felony type crimes.

 

[Cattle Company]

How can you call facts that were revealed by the Southern District Attorney General as 'so-called facts'? FACTS ARE FACTS, there is undeniable, certifiable, verifiable, evidence of crimes, serious crimes, felony type crimes.

You're talking about democrats there. (SDAG) If the source is a democrat or a group of democrats you MUST take a GREAT BIG grain of salt. Those clowns haven't an ounce of credibility whatsoever!!!

 

[Perotista]

I didn't think Trump should be impeached on day 1. In fact, until Trump fired James Comey, I thought the Russia investigation was about as serious as the Bengazi investigation of Hillary. (in other words, not very.)

I don't know if the Russia investigation is serious or not. As tight lipped as Mueller has been over the whole thing, I doubt if anyone outside of his inner circle does either. What we see here is a ton of partisan propaganda coming from both sides. Probably one side or the other will be deeply disappointed.

The feelings for Comey is in my opinion also very partisan and political. Remember when Comey decided not to prosecute Hillary over the E-mails, he was a hero to the Democrats, the Republicans wanted him fired. Then Comey reopened the investigation a couple of weeks prior to the election, those major political parties switched sides, did a complete 180. Then the Democrats wanted Obama to fire Comey, the GOP now held him up as a hero.

I think it is funny when Trump finally fired Comey, something the Democrats had been calling for since just before the election, the Democrats went back to viewing him a hero. The Republicans now back Trump in his firing. Whichever side either party was on with Comey was due to being seen by each party as either being on their side or against them. For me, I just had to sit back and chuckle at how quickly each side did their reversals on Comey.

Each side only wanted to use Comey for their own political advantage, gain. Nothing more, nothing less. Comey got caught in a partisan political circle jerk with him as the pivot man. So to speak anyway.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

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Based on today's news, in which Michael Cohen implicated Trump in felony charges (campaign finance law violations), do you agree with Nixon's Counsel that Trump should be impeached?

Should he be impeached?
YES, he should be.

Is impeachment necessary?
NO, it isn't.

I think that once everything comes out in the wash, Donald Trump will begin to lose a large portion of his support because for the Congress critters currently in his corner, supporting him will become too toxic, and they will abandon ship, and he will no longer have a power base to speak of. I am fairly confident that Mueller's goods will be extremely damaging to his administration, and to the Republican Party as a whole, thus I believe that a credible threat of impeachment will force him to resign, just like Richard Nixon.