No, they are men.
You bet, you said it right here and in the next post as well, medical procedures correct nature's mistake which in fact does make one a man or woman.I don't honestly debate liars. Show where I said that I that transgendered people are "lying" or you will be relegated to the waste bin of the intellectually dishonest.
The fact is that a man that feels like a woman is still a man. No surgery in the world will change this fact.
Transsexuals, are their opposite sex of what they were born into."Feeling" that you are a woman when you are in fact a man does not mean that the man is biologically a woman or that he can become one... just that he "feels" like one.
The point of going to a counselor is to understand the feelings and what the cause is. If the counselor is unable to identify the cause of the feelings, they simply are not very good at their job. Which is why there are so many specialists within the fields of Psychology. If you want general assistance go see a general Psychologist, but when when you need specialist assistance that is why you begin to deal with the facts of what causes emotions. Some examples would be Clinical Neuropsychology, Health psychology, behavioral and cognitive psychology. I'll admit these specialties are fairly new, but the whole field is growing as we find out more about the human condition.Or has insight far beyond yours... B.A. and a Masters degree... you?
Then you should have no problem showing these facts... the ones that show how "feelings" can be factually identified. Any person that has been to counseling knows that the counselor does nothing more than help and guide, at best, the client. They attempt to get to the root cause of emotional understanding but nothing about it is fact. The client "feels" what might be correct. "Feeling" that you are a woman when you are in fact a man does not mean that the man is biologically a woman or that he can become one... just that he "feels" like one.
This will be considered hate speech once the full transformation to the United States of Social Justice is complete, so you better learn how to check that cis-privilege soon bub.
You bet, you said it right here and in the next post as well, medical procedures correct nature's mistake which in fact does make one a man or woman.
Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
The fact is that a man that feels like a woman is still a man. No surgery in the world will change this fact.
Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
"Feeling" that you are a woman when you are in fact a man does not mean that the man is biologically a woman or that he can become one... just that he "feels" like one.
You said they are not the opposite sex, yet they clearly are.I clearly did not say that they are lying... I said that they feel like something that they are not. Lying takes conscious intent. Being deluded often prohibits one from lying. Are you deluded, or are you lying in trying to show that I said that they are lying?
You said they are not the opposite sex, yet they clearly are.
I don't see where your disconnect is, but the only delusion is when you claim they cannot biologically become male or female opposite to their sex. They might be medically infertile but reproductive organs do not a male or female make.
I already did thanks.You said that I said that "they are lying"... prove that I said that they are lying. Clearly I did not make that claim or admit you are wrong and shut up about it.
Umm, I know quite a few women without ovaries, uterus (is the same as a womb). A Cervix you might have a point but without the ovaries or uterus a cervix doesn't matter. So yes, being medically female or male is possible for a transsexual.Biologically a man can not become a woman. No overies, no uterus, no cervix and no womb. Sayiing that they are simply "might be medically infertile" females is obfuscation of the most drastic kind.
I will never understand the cool aid drinkers that can't just admit the truth.
I already did thanks.
Umm, I know quite a few women without ovaries, uterus (is the same as a womb). A Cervix you might have a point but without the ovaries or uterus a cervix doesn't matter. So yes, being medically female or male is possible for a transsexual.
I already did thanks.
A male is not going to magically get Fallopian tubes, and a female is not going to magically get vas deferens, amongst other medical impossibilities.
I see them more as creatures than humans.
But... but... but, some women are born without fallopian tubes so it IS possible for a man to become a woman. Neener neener neener!!
You said they are not the opposite sex, yet they clearly are.
I don't see where your disconnect is, but the only delusion is when you claim they cannot biologically become male or female opposite to their sex. They might be medically infertile but reproductive organs do not a male or female make.
That, of course, is false and is why I would tend to be more hesitant in my support, which based on my upbringing and education would have been clear cut and forceful.
That has changed considerably after having seen the gay lobby overshoot so viciously with ssm riding roughshod over freedom rights of other citizens.
They clearly are not the opposite sex and you don't appear to have an argument as to how they are.
What I don't understand is why... why do people like Nicci want to claim that a man can be a woman? What is the goal? I understand the transexuals confusion and accept them as people. I uphold their value as citizens, etc. That said, a man is not a woman. Just a fact.
I have no idea, but then, I don't really see the appeal of supporting the treatment in the first place. What I also don't understand is why they are so hooked on getting them to compete against those born into the gender. Taking hormones while competing is juicing and many sports have banned that type of drug use. Juicing is juicing and it doesn't matter if you're trans or not, it's juicing and it's against the rules. The whole, well, they're men, or they can or can't compete against men arguments doesn't even begin to matter since they are juicing and no one else is allowed to do it.
Yet.A male is not going to magically get Fallopian tubes, and a female is not going to magically get vas deferens, amongst other medical impossibilities.
Please tell me how it is false.
I completely think that competition for a trans person should be prohibited... 100%
I'll just leave this here...A male is not going to magically get Fallopian tubes, and a female is not going to magically get vas deferens, amongst other medical impossibilities.
Its interesting you think you can tell someone what sex they are, when you can't tell.They clearly are not the opposite sex and you don't appear to have an argument as to how they are.
There is no confusion.What I don't understand is why... why do people like Nicci want to claim that a man can be a woman? What is the goal? I understand the transexuals confusion and accept them as people. I uphold their value as citizens, etc. That said, a man is not a woman. Just a fact.
Well, what do you think?
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