Should They Win Control of Congress, the Democrats Have a Plan (1 Viewer)

[aps]

Shut up, George Bush and Dick Cheney. You two are idiots.

Ms. Pelosi has outlined a plan to move quickly on pet Democratic initiatives as soon as Congress convenes in January if her party holds the majority. They include legislation to enact all the antiterrorism initiatives recommended by the Sept. 11 commission, increase the minimum wage to $7.25 per hour, allow the government to negotiate Medicare prescription drug prices, eliminate some corporate subsidies for the oil industry, cut in half the interest rate on federally subsidized college loans and impose new restrictions on dealing with lobbyists.

Some of those proposals are also elements of the Democratic “Six for ’06,” the shorthand for the party’s longer-term agenda.

Under that plan, Democrats would push for new policies in Iraq, including beginning the withdrawal of troops for deployment elsewhere. They would also seek to double special forces devoted to pursuing Osama bin Laden and others in terrorism networks, institute screening of all cargo containers entering the country and increase spending on the National Guard and emergency workers.

Democrats say they would also prohibit any increase in Congressional pay until the minimum wage was raised and eliminate tax breaks that encourage companies to move jobs out of the country. They would make permanent an expired tax deduction for college tuition costs; encourage alternative energy production; renew the push for expanded stem cell research and enact new incentives for personal saving. . . .

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/04/us/politics/04agenda.html

 

[BWG]

pursuing Osama bin Laden and others in terrorism networks, institute screening of all cargo containers entering the country and increase spending on the National Guard and emergency workers

That makes me feel safer than roadblocks from the 'green zone' to the Baghdad airport.
:lol:

 

[BubbaBob]

aps...you took up far more web space than necessary on the democrat plan...it only takes three words...Cut and Run.

BubbaBob

 

[Calm2Chaos]

Is there any plan in place to deal with the huge amount of death and destruction thats going to occur when we run out of Iraq? NOt that Iraq is peaceful and safe now, but without us there, it's going to turn into whomever is the strongest warlord in the place. I have no doubt you'll see wide spread genocidal killings, huge numbers of whomever is the weakest in the bunch. If you are the minority when we take off you better be well armed or be hiding or be moving to another country that won't be looking to kill you.

 

[Stinger]

Shut up, George Bush and Dick Cheney. You two are idiots.

Well that right there is the Democrat position on everything.

They include legislation to enact all the antiterrorism initiatives recommended by the Sept. 11 commission,

Such as what and be specific. Will there be debate? Will the committes diliberate? Will they do their job or just rubber stamp them?

increase the minimum wage to $7.25 per hour,

Feel good legislation which helps no one.

allow the government to negotiate Medicare prescription drug prices

Price controls. There goes new drug developement.

, eliminate some corporate subsidies for the oil industry,

Which ones, the ones for creating new energy sources, be specific.

cut in half the interest rate on federally subsidized college loans

So that her buddies at the colleges can raise tuition again. And which banks are going to lend that money at such a low rate. And why even do it to begin with, it's not the goverments job to be a banker for students and a money pit for educators.

and impose new restrictions on dealing with lobbyists.

Like what? Something so Dirty Harry can make money on his land deals or Jefferson doesn't stash cash in his fridge?

Under that plan, Democrats would push for new policies in Iraq, including beginning the withdrawal of troops for deployment elsewhere.

So thier plan is retreat.

They would also seek to double special forces devoted to pursuing Osama bin Laden and others in terrorism networks,

And when did Ms. Peloise graduate from the War College? We just turned most of that over to NATO, I thought all you leftest wanted other countries to take over.

institute screening of all cargo containers entering the country

That's being done already.

and increase spending on the National Guard and emergency workers.

To do what for the National Guard. And I see the plan is to retreat and then hunker down for the next attack and be prepared for the bodies.

Democrats say they would also prohibit any increase in Congressional pay until the minimum wage was raised and eliminate tax breaks that encourage companies to move jobs out of the country.

Why should thier pay be based on the most unemployable and teenagers?

They would make permanent an expired tax deduction for college tuition costs;

If anything we need to stop this endless plugging of money into the bloated college system. They money they take in has risen far and above inflation and there is no reason they need to be increasing thier tutitions like they do. What needs to be done is to cut them off and make they operate more efficiently.

encourage alternative energy production;

Bush did that why don't you give him credit, but you said above they are going to cut back on energy subsidies and here you say they are going to expand them.

renew the push for expanded stem cell research

You mean. Embryonic and cloning. Why don't you state what they REALLY want?

and enact new incentives for personal saving. .

Like what encouraging people to put money into risky schemes like the stock market? Or reforming SS into a personal investing program? What is thier plan?

 

[aps]

aps...you took up far more web space than necessary on the democrat plan...it only takes three words...Cut and Run.

BubbaBob

Okay, BubbaBob, that was actually kind of funny! :lol:

 

[aps]

Is there any plan in place to deal with the huge amount of death and destruction thats going to occur when we run out of Iraq? NOt that Iraq is peaceful and safe now, but without us there, it's going to turn into whomever is the strongest warlord in the place. I have no doubt you'll see wide spread genocidal killings, huge numbers of whomever is the weakest in the bunch. If you are the minority when we take off you better be well armed or be hiding or be moving to another country that won't be looking to kill you.

At this point, the Iraqis are just killing each other and our troops (and some reporters). The Democrats are not going to cut and run, no matter how much you right-wingers want to believe that.

 

[BubbaBob]

At this point, the Iraqis are just killing each other and our troops (and some reporters). The Democrats are not going to cut and run, no matter how much you right-wingers want to believe that.

BullGuano...redeployment...cut and run...same thing, and the dems have pushed it HARD...ever heard of a guy names John Kerry? How about John Murtha? They both are considered "leaders" in the dem party and both want redeployment, AKA cut and run, as does Pelosi et al..

BubbaBob

 

[Andy]

Ummm... I love reductionest political slogans.

 

[Stinger]

At this point, the Iraqis are just killing each other and our troops (and some reporters). The Democrats are not going to cut and run, no matter how much you right-wingers want to believe that.

If the war is immoral, illegal, premptive, all about oil, all about making Cheney's buddies at Haliburton rich, unnecessary, making us the worlds enemy...............why wouldn't they cut and run? Why shouldn't I believe if they mean what they say they won't cut and run?

 

[RightinNYC]

They include legislation to enact all the antiterrorism initiatives recommended by the Sept. 11 commission,

Great.

increase the minimum wage to $7.25 per hour,

Also great. Of course, this would have happened months ago if the dems hadn't refused to vote for it in order to have it to use against Republicans in this election.

allow the government to negotiate Medicare prescription drug prices,

Fail to see how this will do anything.

eliminate some corporate subsidies for the oil industry,

Populist pandering relying on the ignorance of the masses to win approval.

cut in half the interest rate on federally subsidized college loans

Atrocious idea, will spur tuition rate increases and will cost tens of billions.

and impose new restrictions on dealing with lobbyists.

Great.

Under that plan, Democrats would push for new policies in Iraq,

Now if only they (or the Reps) could actually explain what their new policies were...

including beginning the withdrawal of troops for deployment elsewhere.

This seems to be the only tangible thing they claim. I (and the army) disagree.

They would also seek to double special forces devoted to pursuing Osama bin Laden and others in terrorism networks,

Great.

institute screening of all cargo containers entering the country

I wish, but this will not happen under the democrats watch. sorry.

and increase spending on the National Guard and emergency workers.

Rather vague.

Democrats say they would also prohibit any increase in Congressional pay until the minimum wage was raised

Meaningless pandering to the lowest common denominator.

and eliminate tax breaks that encourage companies to move jobs out of the country.

Such as...?

They would make permanent an expired tax deduction for college tuition costs;

Great.

encourage alternative energy production;

How? With what?

renew the push for expanded stem cell research

Great.

and enact new incentives for personal saving. . . .

Such as? Details?


Don't get me wrong, there's good stuff in there, but the vast majority of it is either not going to happen or not of great consequence. Bereft of ideas, and it's a ******* shame. We could use some leadership out of anyone.

 

[Navy Pride]

At this point, the Iraqis are just killing each other and our troops (and some reporters). The Democrats are not going to cut and run, no matter how much you right-wingers want to believe that.

You think its bad now.........If the dems take over the HOR and we cut and run in Iraq it will be the biggest blood bath in modern history......

I fear one of the first things the dems will do is try and impeach a sitting president in a time of war which is unheard of.....The hate President Bush so much that nothing else matters..

I also fear that Pelosi will try and cut of funding to out troops in Iraq ehich will put them more in harms way then they already are.......

Her base in the Peoples Republic of San Francisco wanted our troops out of Iraq yesterday........

 

[Demsmart]

BullGuano...redeployment...cut and run...same thing, and the dems have pushed it HARD...ever heard of a guy names John Kerry? How about John Murtha? They both are considered "leaders" in the dem party and both want redeployment, AKA cut and run, as does Pelosi et al..

BubbaBob

Let's see BubbaBob, cut and run or stay the course and die. Hmm, it doesn't take a friggin genious to figure that one out. You are probably the ones offended by Kerry's joke or the one that was so scared by the President fear mongering that you actually believed what he said. But of course with a name like BubbaBob no wonder...

 

[Demsmart]

You think its bad now.........If the dems take over the HOR and we cut and run in Iraq it will be the biggest blood bath in modern history......

I fear one of the first things the dems will do is try and impeach a sitting president in a time of war which is unheard of.....The hate President Bush so much that nothing else matters..

I also fear that Pelosi will try and cut of funding to out troops in Iraq ehich will put them more in harms way then they already are.......

Her base in the Peoples Republic of San Francisco wanted our troops out of Iraq yesterday........

Hmm, like I told Bubba, cut and run versus stay and die. You know NAVY PRIDE it is this kind of fear mongering that the redudlicans like. When Saddam was found guilty and sentenced to hang they said a blood bath would ensue, I haven't seen it yet...

 

[Navy Pride]

Hmm, like I told Bubba, cut and run versus stay and die. You know NAVY PRIDE it is this kind of fear mongering that the redudlicans like. When Saddam was found guilty and sentenced to hang they said a blood bath would ensue, I haven't seen it yet...

I grieve for every man that has died in Iraq but unlike you I don't want them have to died in vain.........Unlike you I believe some things are worth fighting for.......

 

[MSgt]

Let's see BubbaBob, cut and run or stay the course and die. Hmm, it doesn't take a friggin genious to figure that one out.

No it doesn't. Why are you having so much trouble with it?

"Stay the Course" does not mean concrete paths. It also doesn't mean that tactics aren't constantly changing to suit the needs of the battlefield. It also doesn't mean that we aren't continually looking for ways to improve security and win their hearts and minds. "Stay the Course" simply means finish the job.

Iraq is the battleground our enemies chose to fight us. We did not go there to fight them. Our enemy was the Saddam regime and the administration ignored the experts and military intel about what was to inevitably occur (Requests for more troops and a more constructive plan for fund expenditure was dismissed). If we were to leave Iraq to the rebelling Sunni who are serving the terrorist agenda, Iraq will become the next Afghanistan and we will simply be attacking them again in the future where the violence will be worse.

The absolute best plan the Democratic Party could have towards Iraq would be to:

1) Slash apart the Defense Contractor industry which sets aside the welfare of the troop and offers us equipment we don't need. Politicians are quick to buy stock and approve these projects instead of investing in the individuals that win the wars.

2) Re-route the money wasted on contractors to Iraqi local businesses and make them responsible for their own infrastructure. This gives them jobs and allows them to hire the youth and it gives us our exhoneration when the power is out. It also rallies Muslim sentimients against the terrorists and insurgency that targets such structures.

3) Re-enstate the Regional Director Program and place them inside the cultures of the fringe areas of the Arab world. This gives us the ability to address the local problems in the villages where Islam is trying to define itself against the terror agents that would hijack their religion. We need to reestablish funding for cultural outreach programs that were cut following the end of the "Cold War."

4) We need to fund media outlets that counter Al Jazeera and like Radical Islamic media without appearing to do so. Radical Islamist are winning the IO Campaign via the use of Radical Islamic print, radio, television and Internet sources. They are very resourceful and media savvy. We are losing the media war and little is being done to gain the momentum.

5) We should support programs that are dedicated to providing educational reform in threatened countries. Governments with strong governmental oversight over the education of their young must be rewarded; likewise those that do not provide such oversight must be punished.

The U.S. is now at a crossroads; failure to effectively counter the catalyzing effects of Radical Islam will prove many people correct and lead to decreased stability, decreased economic growth, and increased conflict. While facing this crossroads, people only have the strength to play politics. Conversely, effectively countering this threat now will have worldwide, beneficial effects for generations to come. The Democrats would do far better for themselves by actually understanding their world and this threat rather than relying upon Republican failure and calling them liars just to sit in a chair in Washington as troops face what Democrats call a "bogeyman."

 

[CurrentAffairs]

If they have a plan, why are they scrambling to contact George McGovern for his advice on what to do next?

 

[Iriemon]

Iraq is the battleground our enemies chose to fight us. We did not go there to fight them.

I can't believe you can say this with a straight face.

The absolute best plan the Democratic Party could have towards Iraq would be to:

1) Slash apart the Defense Contractor industry which sets aside the welfare of the troop and offers us equipment we don't need. Politicians are quick to buy stock and approve these projects instead of investing in the individuals that win the wars.

2) Re-route the money wasted on contractors to Iraqi local businesses and make them responsible for their own infrastructure. This gives them jobs and allows them to hire the youth and it gives us our exhoneration when the power is out. It also rallies Muslim sentimients against the terrorists and insurgency that targets such structures.

3) Re-enstate the Regional Director Program and place them inside the cultures of the fringe areas of the Arab world. This gives us the ability to address the local problems in the villages where Islam is trying to define itself against the terror agents that would hijack their religion. We need to reestablish funding for cultural outreach programs that were cut following the end of the "Cold War."

4) We need to fund media outlets that counter Al Jazeera and like Radical Islamic media without appearing to do so. Radical Islamist are winning the IO Campaign via the use of Radical Islamic print, radio, television and Internet sources. They are very resourceful and media savvy. We are losing the media war and little is being done to gain the momentum.

5) We should support programs that are dedicated to providing educational reform in threatened countries. Governments with strong governmental oversight over the education of their young must be rewarded; likewise those that do not provide such oversight must be punished.

Good points.

The U.S. is now at a crossroads; failure to effectively counter the catalyzing effects of Radical Islam will prove many people correct and lead to decreased stability, decreased economic growth, and increased conflict.

We need to stop being one of the catalyzing effects of Radical Islam.

 

[Stinger]

We need to stop being one of the catalyzing effects of Radical Islam.

And exactly how do we do that? Surrender?

They think they can beat us. They have been emboldened by the division here and the rhetoric of the left. They are clear in that they want to come here even if we pull out.

So how exactly do we stop being a "catalyzing effect"? Pull out and hunker down?

What do we offer them in this concilatory stance you propose?

 

[Navy Pride]

If they have a plan, why are they scrambling to contact George McGovern for his advice on what to do next?

McGovern is the king of all "Cut and Runners"....It looks like we are going to abandon the Iraqis like we did the Vietnamese the only difference is the NVN did not follow us when we "Cut and Run from Nam..........The terrorists will ..........

 

[saggyjones]

McGovern is the king of all "Cut and Runners"....It looks like we are going to abandon the Iraqis like we did the Vietnamese the only difference is the NVN did not follow us when we "Cut and Run from Nam..........The terrorists will ..........

If the dems take over the HOR and we cut and run in Iraq it will be the biggest blood bath in modern history

Are you proposing that the Sunnis or Al-Qaida will attack the U.S.? If it's going to be the "biggest blood bath in modern history" how will they have the money, weapons, and manpower to follow us? Unless you're talking about terrorist attacks, which might even spark a raise in the homeland security threat level, which has been either yellow (elevated) or orange (high), with the occasional red (severe), since it's creation in 2002. Terrorist attacks have always been a "threat". Why would our Iraqi enemies want revenge for pulling out of their country and not for bombing their cities and killing thousands of their troops and people?

I'm not saying we SHOULD pull out of Iraq, I'm simply saying that there's no way the terrorists would follow us if we did.

 

[Iriemon]

And exactly how do we do that? Surrender?

They think they can beat us. They have been emboldened by the division here and the rhetoric of the left. They are clear in that they want to come here even if we pull out.

So how exactly do we stop being a "catalyzing effect"? Pull out and hunker down?

What do we offer them in this concilatory stance you propose?

We stop attacking their countries that had nothing or little to do with terrorists based upon pretextual "mistakes", don't say we are attecking for limited objectives and then occupying indefinitely, and stop acting like a two bit dictatorship and stop torturing people and snatching people away to secret torture dungeons without due process.

Just three things off the top of my head to stop catalyzing terrorists against us. There's more.

 

[Stinger]

We stop attacking their countries

So you are willing to give the Taliban and Al qaeda "their countries", that makes me feel secure.

Just three things off the top of my head to stop catalyzing terrorists against us. There's more.

Actually it was only one, the one a cut and pasted. The other two were propaganda and nonsense. Give me the specific things we should be doing, you say there is more what is it other that get out now and turn the countries over to the Taliban and Al qaeda and the radical Islamist. All you have posted is things you think we are doing and shouldn't be doing.

 

[BubbaBob]

Let's see BubbaBob, cut and run or stay the course and die. Hmm, it doesn't take a friggin genious to figure that one out. You are probably the ones offended by Kerry's joke or the one that was so scared by the President fear mongering that you actually believed what he said. But of course with a name like BubbaBob no wonder...

Hmmm...let's see...

You disparage "stay the course and die", but we stayed the course...and died...at Anzio. You saying we should have cut and run there?

We stayed the course and died at Normandy...we should have cut and run there?

We stayed the course and died at Pork Chop Hill...and at the Battle of the Bulge...and in the South Pacific...we should have cut and run there?

You sound like Neville Chamberlain...and if he had been listened to for much longer, the french and brits would be speaking german.

Of course, your last line says it all..."But of course with a name like BubbaBob no wonder..."

Typical liberal...since you have no facts, resort to ad hominum...it easy...see even I can do it...

"Demsmart...an oxymoron if there ever was one."

BubbaBob

 

[saggyjones]

Hmmm...let's see...

You disparage "stay the course and die", but we stayed the course...and died...at Anzio. You saying we should have cut and run there?

We stayed the course and died at Normandy...we should have cut and run there?

We stayed the course and died at Pork Chop Hill...and at the Battle of the Bulge...and in the South Pacific...we should have cut and run there?

You sound like Neville Chamberlain...and if he had been listened to for much longer, the french and brits would be speaking german.

Of course, your last line says it all..."But of course with a name like BubbaBob no wonder..."

Typical liberal...since you have no facts, resort to ad hominum...it easy...see even I can do it...

"Demsmart...an oxymoron if there ever was one."

BubbaBob

How can you compare specific battles of World War II to the current situation in Iraq? Please respond to this and don't just let it sit here unanswered.