Call them whatever you like but it doesn't change the fact that they are kids.
Why can't they be charged as juveniles as accessories to the murder?
This has been done before. Why are they making such a big deal out of this PARTICULAR case? It's definitely a mystery.
There have been PLENTY of juvenile murderers or accessories to murders that were much more heinous than this, and they were charged as juveniles.
Hmm, I just reviewed some of the recent news articles about the case and I find something strange in the application of charges.
The three teens are Jones, a 17 yo white kid who was driving the car; Luna, a 16 yo black kid who was sitting in the backseat and who shot the victim; Edwards, a 15 yo black kid who was riding in the passenger seat.
Only Luna and Edwards were charged with First Degree Murder.
Jones was charged with driving a vehicle used in discharge of a weapon and accessory after the fact.
Why wasn't Jones charged with First Degree Murder? He did more than the 15 yo Edwards, who was apparently a passenger egging the issue on.
From what little we know all three were culpable of conspiracy to commit murder, all three were in the car together when Luna shot the victim, so why is the oldest (who also happens to be white) not being charged with First Degree Murder? Did I miss something?
Knowing and doing are not the same things. We don't treat teenagers like adults, because they aren't.
Call them whatever you like but it doesn't change the fact that they are kids.
DA's in Oklahoma are elected by their county and thus it is a political issue. If DA's were appointed instead then they would not have to worry about re-election and as long as the governor was of the same party that appointed him would probably do so again.
They were conspirators in a murder scheme (there were a list of 4 victims to be killed also) and in Oklahoma when a murder or wrongful death is caused by a member of a team engaging in criminal activity then the other team members also can be charged for that murder or wrongful death if they were at the location and time that said event occurred.
Because it is a heinous crime (when they said they done it for fun.)
Where? Was it in Oklahoma? Did those adolescents who committed those heinous crimes and charged as juveniles commit them in a small small city (Duncan pop 23,431) ducan ok - Yahoo! Search Results
15 is still 15.Not any more, they ain't.
Well, that could help, but certainly wouldn't eliminate all the problems.
Don't you think you should wait until the trial/pre-trial discovery information? We have only heard from the prosecution. You are basing all of your opinions on statements made by the prosecution. Can you not see how you are wrong here?
Again, this is according to the prosecutor. We don't really know why. We haven't heard from the defense.
All over the country. Are you saying you think all juveniles are processed as adults? They most certainly are not. What the hell does the size of the city have to do with anything at all?
When the defense comes out with their points I'll be able to make a correction then.
I can change my opinion then.
A large city is more likely to have such crimes and are used to them and thus is viewed as normal. Small cities like Duncan are not and thus is more shocking. For example, Oklahoma City has crimes like this at least once a year. Duncan has not has such in decades.
Don't you think you should wait until the trial/pre-trial discovery information? We have only heard from the prosecution. You are basing all of your opinions on statements made by the prosecution. Can you not see how you are wrong here?
can't you see that your constant harping on everything being "according to the prosecution" is a lame argument? do you really believe the prosecution would be stupid enough to release false information? that would be counter productive and set them up for mistrial and lawsuits. you can bet your ass that if the prosecution in publically releasing information, they have verified its accuracy.
Not at all. It's 100% the truth. The information you are going by is based on statements released by the prosecution. Says so right in the article. Prosecutors leak information to the press all the time. Yes, sometimes false information too. Look at the Duke Lacrosse case.
Most of you already have your minds made up, that's why you won't listen to reason.
I disagree, when you lock someone up and leave a person essentially helpless and then the state gives them a lethal injection, that is effing murder. Play semantics all you want.
If by "semantics" you mean "using actual definitions of words rather than make believe" then sure, I'll use semantics.
Granted, since you seem to have an imagineary definition for what "murder" is perhaps you have an imaginary definition for what "semantics" means...so it's hard to really understand what you're saying since I don't have a "ChrisL" dictionary full of your made up words and meanings.
whether these particular guys are innocent or guilty is still to be determined. that doesn't change my opinion that a bunch of teenagers who could commit this type of crime are not children and should be charged as adults
That's for the judge to decide AFTER hearing all the relevant information.
Killing someone is murder.
That's the claims from the prosecution. I don't think you know enough about these boys or this case to make any kind of determinations or judgments. If you respected our judicial system at all, you would realize how the position you're taking is so wrong. You have these kids tried and convicted. How sad. I'm hopeful that this is just a knee jerk emotional reaction and that cooler heads will prevail eventually.
I thought it was understood that any consequences they face or I want them to face are... follow it:
IF . THEY . ARE . FOUND . GUILTY
Cool?
No, it's not. Killing someone illegally is murder.
A soldier engaging in a legal war that kills someone isn't murder.
A person killing an attacker in self defense isn't murder.
A person pulling the plug on an illegally applied respirator causing the unhealthy individual to die isn't murder.
A doctor aborting a fetus in the 2nd trimester in the U.S. isn't murder
A person drinking and driving and getting into a wreck that results in someones death may very well not be murder.
Killing != Murder
Sorry, words have meanings. That's not "semantics", that's basic facts. Capital Punishment being illegal in Venezuela or Nepal doesn't mean that capital punishment, which is legal in this country, is "murder" universally and especially in this country. But nice attempt to "appeal to emotion", wonderful use of a sad fallacy filled tactic.
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