Should there be two states?

[Hatuey]

Should there be a Palestine and an Israel(Referring to the 2 state solution)? Pretty straight forward.

 

[Kandahar]

Should there be a Palestine and an Israel(Referring to the 2 state solution)? Pretty straight forward.

Eventually, yes. But not until the Palestinians prove that they can behave themselves.

 

[Thelost1]

Any other solution would be just too extremist.

And Kandahar's right. Both sides need to learn to behave.

 

[Doremus Jessup]

Yes, because that was the original plan.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Eventually, yes. But not until the Palestinians prove that they can behave themselves.

Absolutely. And I agree totally with the above.

 

[The Mark]

Absolutely. And I agree totally with the above.

What he said. :yt :agree

 

[Fiercely Proud American]

Absolutely.

IMHO, if Arafat had really wanted peace, there would already be a Palestine and Israel coexisting in some form of harmony.

 

[The face of Jacob]

Absolutely.

IMHO, if Arafat had really wanted peace, there would already be a Palestine and Israel coexisting in some form of harmony.

Indeed he didn't want it.

Wanna know what he wanted?

Yasser Arafat in 1970 said (Washington Post March 19, 1970):

The goal of our struggle is the end of Israel, and there can be no compromise.

Arafat's map of Palestine does not include Israel:

Here is a page with many quotes of him and of his dudes

 

[DeeJayH]

it is the only reasonable solution
whether it actually happens is a whole different story

 

[Goobieman]

Eventually, yes. But not until the Palestinians prove that they can behave themselves.

This is one of those rare times that K and I agree 100%.

:cheers:

 

[Gardener]

Yes there should.

I agree with Kandahar that the Palestinians must transform themselves into a people worthy of a state.

I would add that in a perfect world, the Israelis need to stop expanding settlements.

The two are inexorably related, though,since The Palestinians use the settlements to justify murdering Israelis and the Israelis respond to the fears of such terrorism by expanding their buffer.

THe problem is that when Isreal does withdraw, the Palestinian reaction is more terrorism,and so the Palestinians are essentially training the Israelis that abandoning settlements DOES NOT lead to security.

something of a gordian knot there, I do believe.

 

[The Mark]

Yes there should.

I agree with Kandahar that the Palestinians must transform themselves into a people worthy of a state.

I would add that in a perfect world, the Israelis need to stop expanding settlements.

The two are inexorably related, though,since The Palestinians use the settlements to justify murdering Israelis and the Israelis respond to the fears of such terrorism by expanding their buffer.

THe problem is that when Isreal does withdraw, the Palestinian reaction is more terrorism,and so the Palestinians are essentially training the Israelis that abandoning settlements DOES NOT lead to security.

something of a gordian knot there, I do believe.

So then the question becomes......how do we cut it?

 

[The face of Jacob]

Should there be a Palestine and an Israel(Referring to the 2 state solution)? Pretty straight forward.

Your poll is not correct.

It's not about 2 states. USA and Mexico are 2 states. USA and Argentina are 2 states. USA and Canada are 2 states.

Here you take one geographic region and you rip it. It's like taking USA and rip it in order to give California and the east coast to your enemies.

A nation and it's rival nation that doesn't exist (the Palestinians, check out what one of the leaders of PLO have said about it in my signature) can't share the same georaphic region.

The only best solution would be to transfer the Arabs to Jordan and to give them money compensation or to bring back the military rule back to Gaza, Judea and Samaria. Look at the Palestinians who are citizens of Israel. They don't behave like their brothers and sisters in Gaza becuase they are living under an Israeli rule.

Otherwise, the Arabs will continue to kill us and themselves. The Arabs want east Jerusalem as their capital, they want to bring back to Israel many Palestinians, and if they will establish a state then they want to have an army with tanks and jets. All the Prime Ministers of Israel refused to these things, all of them refused to give parts of Jerusalem to them. This is why they did the 2nd Intifada.

The idea to rip off a geographic region and to give parts of it to a nation that doesn't exist and in the opposite of every sane argument is the main part of the problem. The Arabs have 20 countries, and the Jews have only a tiny country, there is no justification to rip off that tiny country in order to give the Arabs lands that they could launch their missiles at Israel.

The Chinese asked someone in order to establish China?
The French asked someone in order to establish France?
The Americans asked someone in order to establish USA?
The Australians asked someone in order to establish Australia?

Then why should the Israelis asked someone in order to establish Israel? That's because we are a nation that rebuilt itself after 2000 years, and we are after a disaster that half of our nation was destroyed. There is no Palestinian state and there will be no Palestinian state. That's because the future Israelis won't be those with the holocaust complex, and they will demand what is theirs. Most of the ones who support the "2 states solution" are anti-semites, most of them are British.

Those of you who don't believe me will have to take their hat and to eat it in the future cause the nightmare of ripping off our county and give it to our enemies isn't practical. In the future the borders of Israel will be these ones:

 

[jamesrage]

Should there be a Palestine and an Israel(Referring to the 2 state solution)? Pretty straight forward.

Yes there should be a two state solution.However I think there should be some relocation and exchange to make the process work great for the long term.For example I think the Israelis need to take the West Bank and Gaza Strip and exchange it with the Palestinians for the same amount of land at the southern, northern or eastern part of Israel.It would easier for both sides to secure their borders and the Palestinians do not have to have to cross through enemy territory to visit relatives or to work.

 

[Doremus Jessup]

cause the nightmare of ripping off our county and give it to our enemies isn't practical.

Giving it back to those who inhabitted it.

 

[Kandahar]

Yes there should be a two state solution.However I think there should be some relocation and exchange to make the process work great for the long term.For example I think the Israelis need to take the West Bank and Gaza Strip and exchange it with the Palestinians for the same amount of land at the southern, northern or eastern part of Israel.It would easier for both sides to secure their borders and the Palestinians do not have to have to cross through enemy territory to visit relatives or to work.

But the Israelis don't want the West Bank and Gaza Strip (sans a few settlements), and the Palestinians do. That seems like a very impractical solution for both sides. Besides, that would hardly be a fair trade...the Gaza Strip is a poor third-world state with poverty comparable to many African countries, whereas Israel is developed.

And I doubt that if the map was redrawn, the average Israeli or Palestinian would really want to pick up and move. And it won't work if they don't, because then Israel will just be another Arab state.

 

[dragonslayer]

There are both Palestine and Israel, as there should be.

 

[MSgt]

What's very telling of this situation is how quickly Israel has emerged and prospered with the aid of their personal inginuity and creativity with America's support.

Why can't the Palestinians do the same with support from Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, etc.? What could have been were it not for the needs of Muslims elsewhere to spill every drop of Palestinian blood to destroy Israel.

A two state solution will never be allowed by the lords of terror and their apostles. Nor would a "free" Palestine ever be allowed to be realized.