With the recent brutal fight over the Borrowing limit and funding the ACA and another fight just around the corner would this be a good time for the Tea Party to create their own Party? I think they would draw people from both the Republican and Democratic parties. And if the public support is as large as they think it is then how could they go wrong. They have some of their own corp. donors. They could have their own platform and not have to piggy back off the GOP.
That would severely decrease the influence of Republicans and Tea Partiers.
Yes it would. But what good is the tea party doing republicans when they primary winnable candidates out in favor of their who lose in the general. Aiken and Mourdock come to mind. Luger and Steelman would have won for the GOP. One has to remember that to win in most states, a certain number of independents must be obtained. I live in Georgia and a nomination of a broun or gingrey, tea party candidates for senate, both would lose to Michelle Nunn. Ky is another where Grimes, McConnell challenger as it looks now has won statewide races there. Put Grimes up against a tea party candidate Bevin and another seat goes to the Dems.
The tea party needs to work within the Republican Party or go their own way.
I agree with that, but it would be even worse if they were actually running candidates against each other in general elections. Sure Nunn would probably win Nunn/Broun. But she would definitely win something like Nunn/Broun/Kingston and Grimes would definitely win Grimes/McConnell/Bevin. I think its better to have the ideological fights in the primary, rather than the general election.
You're right, in a three way the Dem would win. But how many more years will the Republican Party be willing to have a Mourdock replace a shoe in like Luger in Indiana. You had Aiken where you are, What's her name, don't you think Steelman I think could have fairly easily beaten McCaskill? Inside of the Missouri poll on the senate race there they had an approval rating for the two candidates, McCaskill disapproval rating was at 60%, Aiken's at 70% about a week prior to the election. House district races are a bit different as in a lot of districts the way they are drawn, independents mean nothing.
But how many times do you think the GOP will put up with a candidate that could win a certain state being primaried out by one that is a certain loser in the primary? They better come to an agreement and be able to live with each other or split.
The Akins of the world are certainly annoying, but I think there'll be more of them if the two sides actually split.
That's my point. How many more Akins primarying out more winnable choices in the primary will the republicans put up with. The Republicans have an excellent chance to pick up 6 or 7 senate seats next year, WV, SD, MT, AK, LA, AR, NC all come to mind where the incumbent democratic senator either retired or the incumbent is in trouble and the states are rated toss ups. How many of these states will the Republicans lose if they nominate an Aiken/Mourdock type candidate? I mention KY and GA as two republicans seats that could go Democratic with an Aiken/Mourdock candidate on the GOP side of the ballot.
The funny part of this, when the tea party first came out, I felt a real close affinity to it being a Reform Party member and a defict fighting hawk ala Perot. But over the last couple, three years I have lost that affinity as I consider the tea party drifted away from the ideals they begin with. This whole shut down fight was needless and a waste of time, energy and money. Any republican/tea party member with a lick of common political sense should have known attaching a defunding rider for the ACA would be impossible to accomplish. All they had to do is look at the other side of the Capital Building to see a Democratic Senate and if that wasn't enough, to the White House and the president's veto pen.
So why force a battle you know you can't win? Why not idle away sometime in order to fight another day, November 2014 would be that day and that time for the battle over the senate seats I mention. Not 1 Oct.
I'm concerned that if the Tea Party types start running their own candidates the Democrats would sweep those seats and take back the House. The presidential elections are close enough that neither the Tea Party or the other Republicans would ever win if they split their side of the vote.
It was a really bad strategy, I don't know what they were trying to accomplish. If anything they only helped the ACA.
Yep, that would've been better.
Yeah, for the first or maybe even two elections what you say I think would be true. But I think over 2 election cycles the tea party would cease to exist to be a threat. I do wonder if trying to appease them, that in the long run what you fear will happen anyway and then the shedding of the tea party would be that much tougher if possible and painful as you would have to again go through a couple of election cycles. But it much worse shape.
But we shall see whats happens. We may be jabbering over nothing.
Where do they get their funding from to help their candidates?
Conservative PUPPIES & TEABAGGERS going to see the Dem's winning more races. Cartoon days will end in 2014 and 2016 " Green Egg," it's going to take a long time for the people to forget this shutdown act of treason against the country.Costing the country $24,Billion,and they're always talking bout spending to much money and didn't get one thing they were asking for, not even OBAMACARE. Split far what,they're one in the same. NUTS!!If the Tea Party splits from the Republican Party, we'll see a lot more Democrats winning races.
With the recent brutal fight over the Borrowing limit and funding the ACA and another fight just around the corner would this be a good time for the Tea Party to create their own Party? I think they would draw people from both the Republican and Democratic parties. And if the public support is as large as they think it is then how could they go wrong. They have some of their own corp. donors. They could have their own platform and not have to piggy back off the GOP.
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