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Should The Physically Handicapped Be Given Preferential Treatment When Out In Public?

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They should be provided equal access to as great a degree as we can. They should still have to pay the same as everyone else for the same things. The point is equality, not superiority.
 
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We should really just replace free with who pays.
If you want the transportation providers to pay.
Or do you want taxpayers to pay.

Free really only describes who does not pay for a service, not who pays for the service, with the understanding that all services are ultimately paid for by someone.
 
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Most of the physically handicapped people I know would prefer to not be treated differently. Maybe we should ask them.

Heya Tech. :2wave: I was thinking the same. That they themselves wouldn't want any special treatment.
 
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They should be provided equal access to as great a degree as we can. They should still have to pay the same as everyone else for the same things. The point is equality, not superiority.

Wonder how many we have here. That ever parked in a handicap parking space? :shock:
 
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Wonder how many we have here. That ever parked in a handicap parking space? :shock:

I have, but I also have a handicapped placard which allows me to legally park there.
 
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Most people with disabilities don't want a free ride in any sense of the term. What they want is equal access. If they are paying the same fair as TABS they should have equal access. Simple as that.
 
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I have, but I also have a handicapped placard which allows me to legally park there.

My ex wife did so once when she was preggers and she stopped some place to use the restroom.....so that shouldn't count. As I wasn't Even going to try and argue with her, about it.
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Should the Physically Handicapped be given Free Transportation when out in Public? Ride the Buses and trains for Free?

When we implement change so that the physically handicapped can have access to buildings, Clear Space so that they can park up front in parking lots, and create special doors and ramps for access. Should they still have to pay just like anyone else would, that is not handicapped?

Should they be given discounts when it comes to paying as all else does due to the fact they are handicapped? Despite whatever laws and concessions having been already made and given.

An example would be Paying for parking.....even though they get to park up front and closer to the building. Should they have to pay the same rate as everyone else does. Get a discount? Or get to park for Free? Based on their Physical handicap.

1. No free public transportation, must pay full fare.

2. No discounted parking rates.

3. Sales discounts are up to each business. That's free enterprise.

4. No government discounts unless non-handicapped qualify as well (i.e. tax breaks, etc.)
 
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Wonder how many we have here. That ever parked in a handicap parking space? :shock:

Not I, even though I could easily get a handicap placard if I wanted one.
 
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Nah, my handicapped placard is enough for me. I don't need other transportation discounts, etc. I'd rather see a discounted bus pass going to those who can't afford a car, are low-income individuals struggling to get to work and/or school. They could really use that extra cash. I just need a parking place as close to the store as I can get, lol!
 
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Equal access... equal treatment.
 
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The point of giving handicapped people preferential treatment and discounts is so that they can maintain a functional relationship with society, and make attempts to contribute. Prior to these innovations, handicapped people languished in private, often in shame. To be disabled was a private family matter. Also, most disabled people have comorbid conditions that will just get worse if they aren't active. If you remove their means of getting around then there will just be a higher cost later when care requirements increase.

I'm all for making life easier for them, especially when it comes to our soldiers who are disabled from combat. Some people will say that soldiers are more deserving but if you look at the typical life of most disabled people you will change your mind about who deserves what.

It's kind of sad that this topic is even up for discussion. It just goes to show that America's race to the bottom knows no bounds, and even the disabled are now being examined as potential socialist slackers. Man, the financial sector and our biggest tycoons really did a number on the social landscape of this country. It's just getting worse every day. Common trust is really deteriorating.
 
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I'd mostly echo the above. Equality of access should cover any special dispensation for diminished capacity. As far as public transport goes, I wouldn't object to fees being means tested.
 
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The point of giving handicapped people preferential treatment and discounts is so that they can maintain a functional relationship with society, and make attempts to contribute. Prior to these innovations, handicapped people languished in private, often in shame. To be disabled was a private family matter. Also, most disabled people have comorbid conditions that will just get worse if they aren't active. If you remove their means of getting around then there will just be a higher cost later when care requirements increase.

I'm all for making life easier for them, especially when it comes to our soldiers who are disabled from combat. Some people will say that soldiers are more deserving but if you look at the typical life of most disabled people you will change your mind about who deserves what.

It's kind of sad that this topic is even up for discussion. It just goes to show that America's race to the bottom knows no bounds, and even the disabled are now being examined as potential socialist slackers. Man, the financial sector and our biggest tycoons really did a number on the social landscape of this country. It's just getting worse every day. Common trust is really deteriorating.

Heya NL :2wave: How so? Well to be honest.....I threw this up as a topic because I work with a Physically handicapped Vet. As a matter of fact we have a couple of people at our warehouse that are the same. They were the ones who gave me the idea. As they were talking about it themselves. About how they didn't want Special treatment. Course these guys are the type that would still open a door for another.....while sitting in their wheelchair. They don't want any free handouts. They are seniors so they get that discount.

If you read the thread.....almost everyone in here has stuck up for the Physically handicapped.

Course I did bring up about who has parked in handicap spot. Which myself I have never done so. I have seen people do it on purpose too.
 
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Course I did bring up about who has parked in handicap spot. Which myself I have never done so. I have seen people do it on purpose too.


I agree some people do abuse the handicapped spaces but I do not know just by looking whether a person has invisible disabilities or not.

The general qualifications for the accessible parking spaces include those using chairs, walkers, crutches, canes and assistive dogs. Nonetheless, most of us do not realize they also include certain impaired functions of the heart or lungs, as well as conditions which are worsened to a specified impairment by walking a certain distance.

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There are millions of people who are forced to contend with serious illnesses, injuries and circumstances, which have left them with mountains to climb every time they take a step. Most people do not realize a person can have hindrances on the inside, that may not visible on the outside. Their restrictions may not be conspicuous at a glance, but their pain, limitations and inability to function normally can be debilitating.

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What may seem easy to you, may seem like a 14,000 foot hurdle to them. Many even collapse in stores, become very dizzy and weak or even black-out. Being able to park close to the entrance of a building when they need to, allows them to run an errand they otherwise would not have been able to conquer.

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For many, the shortened distance from the parking lot allows them to: walk into a building to use an electric cart or wheelchair; avoid dangerous exposure to heat, cold and exhaust fumes; use their energy for shopping; get back to their car when they have used up all of their energy inside.

read more:
Don?t Judge by Appearances - Invisible Disabilities Association - IDA
 
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I agree some people do abuse the handicapped spaces but I do not know just by looking whether a person has invisible disabilities or not.



read more:
Don?t Judge by Appearances - Invisible Disabilities Association - IDA



Mornin Minnie.
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Well not so much by an individual other than those that park in the handicapped spot.

Here by us some have plates to identify so. Or placards, which any can get themselves.
 
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The point of giving handicapped people preferential treatment and discounts is so that they can maintain a functional relationship with society, and make attempts to contribute. Prior to these innovations, handicapped people languished in private, often in shame. To be disabled was a private family matter. Also, most disabled people have comorbid conditions that will just get worse if they aren't active. If you remove their means of getting around then there will just be a higher cost later when care requirements increase.

I'm all for making life easier for them, especially when it comes to our soldiers who are disabled from combat. Some people will say that soldiers are more deserving but if you look at the typical life of most disabled people you will change your mind about who deserves what.

It's kind of sad that this topic is even up for discussion. It just goes to show that America's race to the bottom knows no bounds, and even the disabled are now being examined as potential socialist slackers. Man, the financial sector and our biggest tycoons really did a number on the social landscape of this country. It's just getting worse every day. Common trust is really deteriorating.
It is not an easy topic, no doubt. And anecdotes can be easily produced to "prove" either side of the argument. Based on some of the super-nice vehicles I often see in handicapped parking spaces would suggest many handicapped people aren't hurting for money. Of course those same huge brand new pick-ups are often next to rust-buckets in the next handicapped space. Either way, to claim that disabled people need financial assistance in the form of price breaks, as a blanket statement, is incorrect.

One should also keep in mind that in all the decades disabled people and their advocates have been advocating for equality they have been doing so by saying they "want to be treated just like everyone else".

ETA: I just woke up and I misread your post. What I said didn't really correlate to what you said. Sorry about that. You were talking access and I was talking price breaks.
 
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I didn't say all services everywhere should be free, we were discussing transportion.

No, I don't feel they should get an additional discount or ride for free, which is a lot different that saying it bothers me that they do. It's just not that big on the scale of things to worry about.

On public transportation, at the taxpayers expense, most have been refitted to accept handicapped riders. The same as been required of public facilities. I have no issue with that at all. It provides equal access.

What you or any one else has yet to answer is why they should get an additional discount or ride free?

Rather than attempting to make it sound like I have a problem with it, how about answering that simple question?
Heh. Why do you hate the handicapped? Have you had these emotions for a long time? When did you first notice them? Do they affect other areas of your life? Relax. We're just getting started here. This could take many, many months to resolve. Now, let's move along. Do you normally get impatient when exposed to complete BS?
 
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