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SHould the military members who refused to send in the National Guard be court martialed?

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We now know after today's hearings that the National guard were held up by higher ups from going to the aid of the Capital police on January 6th. THis after the National Guard was given strict orders not to help the Capital Police on January 6th. This after the order was given to the National Guard on January 5th, not to deploy without the permission. It was only after three hours that the Guard was allowed to go help, way too late to keep people from dying and 140 policemen from being injured. One of those in charge was the brother to Michael Flynn, the man who suggested to trump he use the military to take over the government in a coup. It was also right after Trump made major changes in the defense department leaders. I think that these military leaders failed to crry out their responsibilities and should be court martialed.I keep hearing that they did not think it would look good for the military to intervein. How do they think it looked for our capital to be overrun by a bunch of crazies who are now being rounded up and will be put on trial?
 
I just watched it on PBS Newshour.

They sent the National Guard in, they just took a long time doing it.

It looks like they didn't know what was happening at the capitol. They didn't know the extent of the problem so they didn't respond appropriately.
 
What could possibly go wrong with building in a series of precedents that will incentivize senior military officials to use force against domestic protest movements earlier rather than later?
 
Who should be court martialed?
I'm still trying to figure out who had authority to actually send the national guard in.
Wouldn't it have been civilian leadership that does that?
Governors decide for their respective states they are civilians, executives but still civilians?
Who actually makes that decision in Washington DC?
This is one of those weird situations where there was an unprecedented event and I don't want a knee jerk reaction to cause the military to summarily be able to decide a protest/group may be violent and going after them.
 
Apparently they knew the problem as it was on TV and could not miss how serious it was, but they did not want the visual of the Military doing police work. Trump apparently refused to send them in and it took Pence to do so. THose officers should be investigated and if found wanting, should be court martialed. I have seen people court martialed for a lot less while I was in the military.
 
cpwill said:
What could possibly go wrong with building in a series of precedents that will incentivize senior military officials to use force against domestic protest movements earlier rather than later?
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We sent them in for the BLM protests in Washington and that did not seem to upset you, did it?
 
cpwill said:
What could possibly go wrong with building in a series of precedents that will incentivize senior military officials to use force against domestic protest movements earlier rather than later?
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I don't think you can get the right answers by asking the wrong questions. The National Guard should have been stationed there preemptively to preclude having to use any force against domestic protest movements. In the presence of a large, well-trained, well armed and properly deployed military force, nobody would have even dared to attempt to breach the Capitol Building. There was ample warning. It should have never happened.
 
If you have read or listened to any of this you would know that the National Guard units were ordered to stand down until the defense department gave them the go ahead. This order was given on January 5th. Interesting that it was given the day before the riot do you not think? And, no, once that order was given by the defense department, the governor could not use the National Guard. Trump could have given the order, but he refused to do so and it was finally given it seems by Pence.
 
You ar right, but the Defense Department would not allow it. The National Guard was actually ordered to stand fown unless given permission by the Defense Department to step in and that was not done for over three hours once requested.
 
I have listened and read. Who is legally authrorized to make the call for national guard in a place that doesn't have a governor, where the highest official of the area is a mayor that has no authority over national guard?
Court martial is a military tribunal. Was it the military that had the authority in this case?
All I'm asking is what civilian leader has the authority to order the guard in to washington dc and shouldn't that person be facing criminal charges for not doing so?
 
Nah, just sue the rioters.
 
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cpwill said:
What could possibly go wrong with building in a series of precedents that will incentivize senior military officials to use force against domestic protest movements earlier rather than later?
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It stopped being a protest when they breached the police barricades at the street.
 
I could almost understand the initial hesitance to send in the National Guard for a protest, but there is absolutely zero excuse for it taking until after 5pm to get authorization. Not when all of America was watching the violent clashes with police and saw the images of elected leaders being forced to flee for their lives. Not with people being shot and killed as they tried to break into rooms filled with said leaders.

There is no reason any competent leader shouldn't have known the severity of the situation. And if they did know, yet still chose to do nothing? That is even worse than incompetence as it shows a willful indifference to the harm being done at the Capitol.
 
Oh I don't know. The fish rots from the head and I suspect that Donnie Rotten's Political Hacks scattered about DHS and the top of the DOD are as responsible as anybody. Donnie had guys that did not know their asses from a hand grenade shuffling in and out of DHS and DOD so fast they were still trying to read their SOP's and Rules of Engagement manuals instead of acting. They were idiot sycophantic Donnie Rotten know nothings in all likelihood put in place because they knew nothing. We can count ourselves lucky that we were not actually attacked by a consequential foreign state actor. The clowns Donnie Rotten had in there would have seen a foreign flag planted on the Pentagon before they would have gotten past page 5 of their Rules of Engagement.

DOD likely has its hands full cleaning house from top to bottom of Donnie Rotten sycophants in all the ranks from PFC on up. I do wonder what the finally tally will be of whack jobs in uniform that get cleaned out of the military.
 
independentusa said:
You ar right, but the Defense Department would not allow it. The National Guard was actually ordered to stand fown unless given permission by the Defense Department to step in and that was not done for over three hours once requested.
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Aha! Fascinating. Had this happened anywhere else in the country, the governor of the State would have had control of deploying their National Guard, and the DoD would have had no jurisdiction. But because it was in the District of Columbia, command falls on the DoD. And because the POTUS is the CiC, and therefore in charge of the DoD, it means he has the power create a military coup d'etat. Congress should take a close look at these events and legislate a fix for this governmental structural shortcoming. The executive branch should not have the power to conduct a military takeover of the Capitol Building. Perhaps command of the DC National Guard should rest with the DHS.
 
DC needs to become our first City-State.
 
jnug said:
DC needs to become our first City-State.
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I've often said, there's plenty of room on that flag for another star. If symmetry is desired, we can add a few other places like Puerto Rico, and perhaps our other Pacific territories. This funny video is worth the viewing time, and offers insights into the gross disparities some of our citizens have in their representation.

 
To be real simple about it, Trump could have given the order right away when he was asked for help from his chief of staff. As always, the fish rots from the head. Trump was aware and watching it on TV. He was enjoying it. His civilian minions at the DOD played the other rolls in holding back, including Michael Flynn's brother, Gen. Charles Flynn.

It was a screw up of massive proportions from the top down, no doubt somewhat planned that way. Try and remember that is was only a short time before that Trump intentionally replaced the leadership at the pentagon with his own sycophants. The question was asked many times in the media as to what Trump was up to. Maybe we finally have that answer.

I smell conspiracy all over this riot. All you had to do was listen to the general in charge of the DC NG. His testimony showed there was some real fishy sh** going on.
 
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