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Should non-citizens in the USA be allowed to vote in federal elections?

Should non-citizens in the USA be allowed to vote ?in federal elections?


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Some cities now allow non-citizens to vote in their elections. President Bill Clinton removed the citizenship question from the 2000 census to have non-citizens counted for calculating allocation of Representatives in Congress, with Barrack Obama repeating this is 2010. So in fact non-citizens have identical representation as American citizens in the federal House of Representatives. Additionally, most blue states have blocked any voter verification that offered any way to prevent non-citizens from voting.

The only thing remaining is allowing non-citizens exactly the same voting rights as citizens in federal elections.
 
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Can I vote in Mexican elections?
 

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No. I don't care what level (local, State or Federal). Non citizens should not have a right to vote.
 

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Some cities now allow non-citizens to vote in their elections. President Bill Clinton removed the citizenship question from the 2000 census to have non-citizens counted for calculating allocation of Representatives in Congress, with Barrack Obama repeating this is 2010. So in fact non-citizens have identical representation as American citizens in the federal House of Representatives. Additionally, most blue states have blocked any voter verification that offered any way to prevent non-citizens from voting.

The only thing remaining is allowing non-citizens exactly the same voting rights as citizens in federal elections.

Hell no!
 

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I think this is coming and if Democrats gain the Presidency and Congress they'll go for it. They are already doing so in some of their West Coast cities for local elections.
 

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Some cities now allow non-citizens to vote in their elections. President Bill Clinton removed the citizenship question from the 2000 census to have non-citizens counted for calculating allocation of Representatives in Congress, with Barrack Obama repeating this is 2010. So in fact non-citizens have identical representation as American citizens in the federal House of Representatives. Additionally, most blue states have blocked any voter verification that offered any way to prevent non-citizens from voting.

The only thing remaining is allowing non-citizens exactly the same voting rights as citizens in federal elections.

I would not have a problem with immigrants voting. Now when I use the word immigrant I mean people who have legally entered our country and have been approved for immigrant status according to our laws. Now people here on a temporary status such as education or work visas should not be allowed to vote. Of course those here illegally need to be arrested have their day in court like every other lawless criminal and then be permanently removed from our country.
 

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Some cities now allow non-citizens to vote in their elections. President Bill Clinton removed the citizenship question from the 2000 census to have non-citizens counted for calculating allocation of Representatives in Congress, with Barrack Obama repeating this is 2010. So in fact non-citizens have identical representation as American citizens in the federal House of Representatives. Additionally, most blue states have blocked any voter verification that offered any way to prevent non-citizens from voting.

The only thing remaining is allowing non-citizens exactly the same voting rights as citizens in federal elections.

The last time the citizenship question was asked of all citizens was 1950. The only time it has been asked since then is on what is referred to as the long form which goes to one in six households. I don't know how often the long form has been used but its not used in every census. A long form may have been used during the Obama and Clinton years. By law non citizens are not eligible to vote in federal elections. In San Francisco they were allowed to register to vote in a school board election. 35 registered. Non citizens voting in Federal, state, and any election is a common fear and suspicion among Conservatives.
 

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The last time the citizenship question was asked of all citizens was 1950. The only time it has been asked since then is on what is referred to as the long form which goes to one in six households. I don't know how often the long form has been used but its not used in every census. A long form may have been used during the Obama and Clinton years. By law non citizens are not eligible to vote in federal elections. In San Francisco they were allowed to register to vote in a school board election. 35 registered. Non citizens voting in Federal, state, and any election is a common fear and suspicion among Conservatives.

What prevents a non-citizen from voting? President Obama himself publicly explained nothing does.
 

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Some cities now allow non-citizens to vote in their elections. President Bill Clinton removed the citizenship question from the 2000 census to have non-citizens counted for calculating allocation of Representatives in Congress, with Barrack Obama repeating this is 2010. So in fact non-citizens have identical representation as American citizens in the federal House of Representatives. Additionally, most blue states have blocked any voter verification that offered any way to prevent non-citizens from voting.

The only thing remaining is allowing non-citizens exactly the same voting rights as citizens in federal elections.

The census is used for many purposes other than calculating Reps in Congress...such as where to build roads, where to build hospitals, schools, where senior services might be needed, etc. The census is useless if not answered by everyone. Your logic leading to allowing non citizens voting rights is very flawed, but often used by those who would like to imagine their unpopularity at the polls is due to "illegal" voters.

If you are truly concerned about proper representation in the House, you may want to advocate for the end of gerrymandering.
 

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What prevents a non-citizen from voting? President Obama himself publicly explained nothing does.

Non citizen voting in a federal election is a serious crime. Fines up to $100,000 and 1 to 3 years prison time if they intentionally misrepresented their citizenship status. States have equally harsh penalties. In San Francisco you must register before you can vote in local elections. I would think it would have to be a pretty stupid person to vote illegally in a state or federal election. There is the punishment then the deportation. Attorneys general report prosecutions for these crimes at low levels.
 

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Yes non-citizens are people deserving of Human Rights they should get the vote and people shouldn't get upset about it
 

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Yes non-citizens are people deserving of Human Rights they should get the vote and people shouldn't get upset about it

Hell, might be an excuse for me to drive down to Seattle for the day.
 

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I have no real objection to legal permanent residents having the right to vote. Most states allowed it up until around 1900 and I don't really see the downside. They're here legally, and they certainly have a stake in what the policies of the land are.
 

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What prevents a non-citizen from voting? President Obama himself publicly explained nothing does.

That's a flat out lie and you were called on it just two weeks ago when you put up that edited YouTube video.
 

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I have no real objection to legal permanent residents having the right to vote. Most states allowed it up until around 1900 and I don't really see the downside. They're here legally, and they certainly have a stake in what the policies of the land are.

In New Zealand I can vote for all elections but the one for prime minister I think
 

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Some cities now allow non-citizens to vote in their elections.

School board elections only.

In November 2016 voters in San Francisco approved a proposal to allow all parents of children in the San Francisco school system to vote in school board elections regardless of their immigration or citizenship status.[47] Unless extended by the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, the proposition is only effective for the school board elections of 2018, 2020, and 2022.[48] Voters rejected similar proposals in 2004 and 2010.

San Francisco's effort to get noncitizen parents to the ballot box in mid-term elections in 2018 resulted in only 49 people signing up to vote. A trivial number compared to the $310,000 the city spent setting up the new registration system and encouraging people to sign up.

Voting is reserved for citizens only. Anyone with sufficient time in America as a resident alien can go through the naturalization process and then they will be citizens, and they can vote.

So far, it looks like you've spawned another one of those joko threads filled with false information and conspiracy theories.
Do you do that a lot in real life too, and do you get away with it?

I guess I'm really asking if you surround yourself with a lot of very stupid friends.

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School board elections only.

In November 2016 voters in San Francisco approved a proposal to allow all parents of children in the San Francisco school system to vote in school board elections regardless of their immigration or citizenship status.[47] Unless extended by the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, the proposition is only effective for the school board elections of 2018, 2020, and 2022.[48] Voters rejected similar proposals in 2004 and 2010.

San Francisco's effort to get noncitizen parents to the ballot box in mid-term elections in 2018 resulted in only 49 people signing up to vote. A trivial number compared to the $310,000 the city spent setting up the new registration system and encouraging people to sign up.

Voting is reserved for citizens only. Anyone with sufficient time in America as a resident alien can go through the naturalization process and then they will be citizens, and they can vote.

So far, it looks like you've spawned another one of those joko threads filled with false information and conspiracy theories.
Do you do that a lot in real life too, and do you get away with it?

I guess I'm really asking if you surround yourself with a lot of very stupid friends.

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1.) Some cities now allow non-citizens to vote in their elections.
2.) President Bill Clinton removed the citizenship question from the 2000 census to have non-citizens counted for calculating allocation of Representatives in Congress, with Barrack Obama repeating this is 2010. So in fact non-citizens have identical representation as American citizens in the federal House of Representatives.
3.) Additionally, most blue states have blocked any voter verification that offered any way to prevent non-citizens from voting.
4.) The only thing remaining is allowing non-citizens exactly the same voting rights as citizens in federal elections.

1.) how did that come about in those cities . . did the people there vote on allowing it? i would vote against it if it came up in my municipality.
2.) factually NOT accurate neither "removed" it LMAO
3.) also factually not accurate
4.) since your whole post is factually wrong this statement also is wrong
are your posts ever accurate? LMAO

to answer the question

NO, in my opinion non-citizens should not be allowed to vote in federal elections.
 

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I don’t have a problem with legal permanent residents having the right to vote after living here a certain number of years.
 

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Nope, plenty of Americans either don't bother to vote or are prevented. Better get them doing so instead of inviting non-citizens.

Non citizen permanent residents in local elections perhaps, but that is on a state or county basis.
 

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This is mostly a question of the principles of "No Taxation without Representation" versus "Only stakeholders get a vote".

I feel that non-citizens could be considered stakeholders in certain State and Local elections by the way of taxes and other contributions to the community. These would be elections that do not have a significant effect on the direction the citizens want their community to go in; the reason being that elections sometimes have significant ramifications beyond those of the purely monetary aspects.

For instance, elections for selecting members of a school board or choosing a new renovation service would be ok. Non-citizens who pay an equal share should get an equal vote.
Elections to change road signs into Swahili or settling the community with new financial burdens would not. These have impact beyond that of the tax dollars spent.

And as regards Federal elections, I would say no.
"Federal" is the Union of States. Non-citizens are not member of that club; hence they should not get a vote.


/a non-American citizen.
 
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