Should motorcycles be considered "natural"?

[watsup]

Sorry for starting so many threads, but sometimes the topic in another thread gets so diffused that there are many different conversations going on and a specific focus on a particular one is often needed.

In this case, the chatter basically made the statement that "since humans are a PART OF NATURE, then everything that they do should be considered as "natural". For instance, said chatter claimed that building a motorcycle should be considered as "natural".

I disagree, of course, but it seems like it's worth a discussion.

 

[watsup]

Let's start with a definition:

nature
Pronunciation /ˈnāCHər/ /ˈneɪtʃər/

NOUN

1. The phenomena of the physical world collectively, including plants, animals, the landscape, and other features and products of the earth, as opposed to humans or human creations.


Nature | Definition of Nature by Oxford Dictionary on Lexico.com also meaning of Nature

 

[Elora]

Motorcycles are man made, from natural materials...:2razz:

 

[RAMOSS]

Sorry for starting so many threads, but sometimes the topic in another thread gets so diffused that there are many different conversations going on and a specific focus on a particular one is often needed.

In this case, the chatter basically made the statement that "since humans are a PART OF NATURE, then everything that they do should be considered as "natural". For instance, said chatter claimed that building a motorcycle should be considered as "natural".

I disagree, of course, but it seems like it's worth a discussion.

It's a matter of semantics. I look at things in three categories. 1) Nature. 2) Artificial..constructs that use the natural properties to manufacture something (even beaver dams and bird nests), and 3) supernaturlal .. beyond natural. The third has no evidence for it.

 

[watsup]

Motorcycles are man made, from natural materials...:2razz:

I know that. That’s not what I asked.

 

[Elora]

I know that. That’s not what I asked.

Correct...you didn't ask a question at all...:roll:

 

[watsup]

Correct...you didn't ask a question at all...:roll:

You didn’t read the title of the thread?

 

[Elora]

You didn’t read the title of the thread?

I gave my answer to that...there was no question in your post...:roll:

 

[watsup]

I gave my answer to that...there was no question in your post...:roll:

I asked whether they were considered "natural". I did not ask whether they were made from "natural materials". And they're not, anyway. You can go out and dig up steel or a motor. Those are MANUFACTURED materials, not "natural" materials. There is a big difference.

 

[Elora]

I asked whether they were considered "natural". I did not ask whether they were made from "natural materials". And they're not, anyway. You can go out and dig up steel or a motor. Those are MANUFACTURED materials, not "natural" materials. There is a big difference.

So i am correct...got it...:2razz:

 

[watsup]

So i am correct...got it...:2razz:

Not at all. You need to look up the definition of natural.

 

[Elora]

Not at all. You need to look up the definition of natural.

Maybe you should look up the definition of correct...

 

[watsup]

Maybe you should look up the definition of correct...

Okay, then don’t look up the definition of natural. Just continue to make incorrect statements based on your lack of knowledge. No skin off my back.

 

[tacomancer]

Sorry for starting so many threads, but sometimes the topic in another thread gets so diffused that there are many different conversations going on and a specific focus on a particular one is often needed.

In this case, the chatter basically made the statement that "since humans are a PART OF NATURE, then everything that they do should be considered as "natural". For instance, said chatter claimed that building a motorcycle should be considered as "natural".

I disagree, of course, but it seems like it's worth a discussion.

To suppose a motorcycle is unnatural would mean that tools are unnatural, but given that human intelligence and ability are part of nature, then their results should be as well.

 

[watsup]

To suppose a motorcycle is unnatural would mean that tools are unnatural, but given that human intelligence and ability are part of nature, then their results should be as well.

Simply not true. There is a difference between "natural" and "manufactured". The former occurs on its own with only the "laws" of physics and biology and chemistry in the universe as its "guide". Manufactured involves the INTELLIGENCE of homo sapiens to take those natural occurrences and use them for purposes of manufacture of items that could not have occurred without additional assistance.

Same as with Elvira: look up the definition of natural.

 

[watsup]

"This is America - and here, right matters."

- Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, Director for European Affairs for the United States National Security Council

Go Col Vindman!

 

[tacomancer]

Simply not true. There is a difference between "natural" and "manufactured". The former occurs on its own with only the "laws" of physics and biology and chemistry in the universe as its "guide". Manufactured involves the INTELLIGENCE of homo sapiens to take those natural occurrences and use them for purposes of manufacture of items that could not have occurred without additional assistance.

Same as with Elvira: look up the definition of natural.

Natural is simply a different type of manufacturing. In the case of what arises without man's intervention, that natural tends to be a construct made of nanobots (or just mechanical or nuclear processes) whereas the type of manufacturing that tends to have man's intervention uses other methods.

The factor of intelligence is not really that important because even natural selection displays a form of preference (survival and reproduction)as a process, just like human intelligence.

 

[Valery]

It's a matter of semantics. I look at things in three categories. 1) Nature. 2) Artificial..constructs that use the natural properties to manufacture something (even beaver dams and bird nests), and 3) supernaturlal .. beyond natural. The third has no evidence for it.

Or — whenever you see, read or hear of something that would or could be supernatural you assume there must be a natural cause and refuse to believe there is a supernatural one whether man ever finds out or not. In other words, you have merely decided that there is no evidence for it.

 

[RAMOSS]

Or — whenever you see, read or hear of something that would or could be supernatural you assume there must be a natural cause and refuse to believe there is a supernatural one whether man ever finds out or not. In other words, you have merely decided that there is no evidence for it.

Or, it doesn't exist. People made lots of claims, but when asked to give objective evidence, never have been able to do so.

That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

 

[Valery]

Motorcycles — building motorcycles
Building something that allows a man to travel faster is natural

A motorcycle, by common sense, is not considered natural.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Oh Goody!!! Another argument about the meaning of a word.

it seems like it's worth a discussion.

Not really.

 

[watsup]

Natural is simply a different type of manufacturing. In the case of what arises without man's intervention, that natural tends to be a construct made of nanobots (or just mechanical or nuclear processes) whereas the type of manufacturing that tends to have man's intervention uses other methods.

The factor of intelligence is not really that important because even natural selection displays a form of preference (survival and reproduction)as a process, just like human intelligence.

Again, not true. See item #2 of this thread for the correct definition of natural.

 

[Lovebug]

Sorry for starting so many threads, but sometimes the topic in another thread gets so diffused that there are many different conversations going on and a specific focus on a particular one is often needed.

In this case, the chatter basically made the statement that "since humans are a PART OF NATURE, then everything that they do should be considered as "natural". For instance, said chatter claimed that building a motorcycle should be considered as "natural".

I disagree, of course, but it seems like it's worth a discussion.

Only natural if it is a motaur.

 

[Dragonfly]

Only natural if it is a motaur.

 

[Noodlegawd]

To suppose a motorcycle is unnatural would mean that tools are unnatural, but given that human intelligence and ability are part of nature, then their results should be as well.

Ok, let's go with your theory. Is anything not "natural"? If so, what and why?