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Should Kerry be charged with war crimes? (1 Viewer)

Should Kerry be charged with war crimes?

  • Yes, he admitted he committed the in Vietnam

    Votes: 6 54.5%

  • No, he just has a hard time explaining himself

    Votes: 5 45.5%
  • Total voters
    11
Navy Pride said:
Your comments please
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Well, if President Bush is guilty of war crimes he had nothing to do with, then clearly Kerry is guilty of war crimes he committed directly, and has openly admittied to.
 
Goobieman said:
Well, if President Bush is guilty of war crimes he had nothing to do with, then clearly Kerry is guilty of war crimes he committed directly, and has openly admittied to.
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If he indeed admitted to commiting a crime he "should" be convicted.

That being said, I dont think he will be, nor do would I expect outrage if he wasnt.
 
As with anyone that's ever committed a war crime absolutely. Question is, what war crime did Kerry commit?
 
jfuh said:
As with anyone that's ever committed a war crime absolutely. Question is, what war crime did Kerry commit?
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SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.
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http://hnn.us/articles/3552.html
 
Goobieman said:
SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.
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Seems you have comprehension issues. He was ordered to commit those acts.
Now if he went beyond what was stated in those orders then yes he personally would be held accountable. However he was serving the orders of the administration as all the military did. The crime is, as Kerry said, with those that "designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas".
 
jfuh said:
Seems you have comprehension issues. He was ordered to commit those acts.
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So were the guards at Auschwitz, et al. They arent war criminals?

Kerry admittied to committing war crimes. Its well-establiished that he beng "under orders" isnt a defense, and so does not absolve him from his culpability.
 
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Goobieman said:
So were the guards at Auschwitz, et al. They arent war criminals?

Kerry admittied to committing war crimes. Its well-establiished that he beng "under orders" isnt a defense, and so does not absolve him from his culpability.
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You missed this bit right after.
jfuh said:
Now if he went beyond what was stated in those orders then yes he personally would be held accountable.
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jfuh said:
You missed this bit right after.
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No. I didn't.

Being ordered to commit a war crime doesnt make you any less a war criminal.

Unless, of course, you think the Nazi Death Camp guards, also acting under orders, were also not war criminals.
 
The chances of Kerry ever being tried for his confessed war crimes is slightly less than that of a cellophane dog in a blast furnace. I'd be happy to have his complete military records made public to everyone, instead of just a small part of them to a very select few. Let's just see exactly what it is that he's hiding.
 
Shouldn't every single military personnel (all the way to the commander and chief) linked with the same actions all be charged? Why single out Kerry?

I would think the question should be:

"Should all military personnel preforming or ordering any action considered to be war crimes in vietnam be charged with war crimes?"

I highly doubt Kerry was wondering Vietnam alone and under no orders when said actions were performed.
 
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Gibberish said:
Shouldn't every single military personnel (all the way to the commander and chief) linked with the same actions all be charged? Why single out Kerry?

I would think the question should be:

"Should all military personnel preforming or ordering any action considered to be war crimes in vietnam be charged with war crimes?"

I highly doubt Kerry was wondering Vietnam alone and under no orders when said actions were performed.
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Irrelevant to the issue, really.

Someone else opined that Bush should be charged with war crimes.
No one really thinks that post was anything more than just partisan hackery.

And so, to counter and/or illustrate that partisan hackery, this poll was started, just to see how many of the "Bush is a war criminal" crowd will admit that the guy they likely voted for in 2004 was a war criminal as well.
 
Goobieman said:
Irrelevant to the issue, really.

Someone else opined that Bush should be charged with war crimes.
No one really thinks that post was anything more than just partisan hackery.

And so, to counter and/or illustrate that partisan hackery, this poll was started, just to see how many of the "Bush is a war criminal" crowd will admit that the guy they likely voted for in 2004 was a war criminal as well.
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A thread by Navy Pride is political hackery? Say it isn't so!
 
Gibberish said:
Shouldn't every single military personnel (all the way to the commander and chief) linked with the same actions all be charged? Why single out Kerry?

I would think the question should be:

"Should all military personnel preforming or ordering any action considered to be war crimes in vietnam be charged with war crimes?"

I highly doubt Kerry was wondering Vietnam alone and under no orders when said actions were performed.
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Maybe because we have a confession from him????
 
Goobieman said:
Someone else opined that Bush should be charged with war crimes.
No one really thinks that post was anything more than just partisan hackery.
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I figured it was a pointless thread but I thought I would see the response anyway.

faithful_servant said:
Maybe because we have a confession from him????
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Only individuals that confess to crimes should be charged? I guess a lot of prisons need to start releasing inmates.

OR are war crims one of those things where it is ok to do aslong as you never talk about it?
 
jfuh said:
Seems you have comprehension issues. He was ordered to commit those acts.
Now if he went beyond what was stated in those orders then yes he personally would be held accountable. However he was serving the orders of the administration as all the military did. The crime is, as Kerry said, with those that "designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas".
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That would be and unlawful order and you never obey and unlawful order.....

That is the same logic the Nazis used at the Nurenburg trials.it does not hold water.....
 
Navy Pride said:
That would be and unlawful order and you never obey and unlawful order.....

That is the same logic the Nazis used at the Nurenburg trials.it does not hold water.....
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No! No!! It's different!!!
It's different, see, because John Kerry is a liberal Democrat!!
 
faithful_servant said:
The chances of Kerry ever being tried for his confessed war crimes is slightly less than that of a cellophane dog in a blast furnace. I'd be happy to have his complete military records made public to everyone, instead of just a small part of them to a very select few. Let's just see exactly what it is that he's hiding.
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Its never going to happen........He will never release them becasue they would prove what a phoney he is...........
 
I read recently that he is going to have them released soon. We shall see.
Sounds like he's preparing for another presidential run.
 
He should be charged, his fellow war criminals should be charged, and the leadership who gave the orders should be charged.
 
Isn't there a statute of limitations on this sort of thing? Kerry made those statements 35 years ago, and no one decided he needed to be charged then, seems kind of silly to be discussing it now.
 
Good question. There's no statute of limitations on murder, and I don't think war crimes either but I could be wrong.
 
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Goobieman said:
No! No!! It's different!!!
It's different, see, because John Kerry is a liberal Democrat!!
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that, sadly, is exactly what it boils down too
all dems who are eager to hang bush, for alleged criminal actions
are all to ready to forgive Kerry for self admitted war crimes
 
DeeJayH said:
that, sadly, is exactly what it boils down too
all dems who are eager to hang bush, for alleged criminal actions
are all to ready to forgive Kerry for self admitted war crimes
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Count me out of your generalization. I would like them both held accountable for whatever crimes they committed, if any.
 
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