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Should "ghost guns" be eliminated?

independentusa said:
So called ghost guns are ending up in the hands of felons who can not buy regular guns. Hey are ending up in every increasing crime scenes since the people who use them know they can not be traced. Biden is presently trying to have the kits that are used to make the ghost guns named as guns and not parts, nd require them to have serial numbers. Do yo agree with this, or do you want the ghost guns to continue to be "legal"?
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The term ghost guns which has no real meaning should be eliminated from peoples lexicon since it's nothing more than a dog whistle for bigotted Baizuo Progressives.
 
jaeger19 said:
That is absolutely not true at all.
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Societies change over the years

The USA in 1950 was a hell of a lot different to that in 1978

And society in 1978 was a hell of a lot different to that in 2006.
 
Rich2018 said:
Societies change over the years

The USA in 1950 was a hell of a lot different to that in 1978

And society in 1978 was a hell of a lot different to that in 2006.
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So what has changed that nullifies the study in question?
 
Rich2018 said:
Societies change over the years

The USA in 1950 was a hell of a lot different to that in 1978

And society in 1978 was a hell of a lot different to that in 2006.
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That doesn't make research unreliable rich.
 
Rich2018 said:
It makes it dated, and as such, unreliable for predicting social trends etc.
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Can't it be looked at to see if it was successful in predicting social trends?
 
jaeger19 said:
Nope. Sorry wrong again.
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Yep, studies done over 25 years ago, cannot be relied upon to reflect reality today. They may reflect a snap shot of society, as it was a quarter of a century ago, but not now.

Just out of interest, would you regard a study over 50 years old, as providing information that accurately reflected society today ?
If so, how about 75 years ?
Or 100 year old studies ?

What's your personal cut off ?
 
Rich2018 said:
Yep, studies done over 25 years ago, cannot be relied upon to reflect reality today. They may reflect a snap shot of society, as it was a quarter of a century ago, but not now.

Just out of interest, would you regard a study over 50 years old, as providing information that accurately reflected society today ?
If so, how about 75 years ?
Or 100 year old studies ?

What's your personal cut off ?
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The word you are looking for is validity.
not reliability.

Second.. the study may be just as valid.

think about it. A study of the effect of segregation 60 years ago. .
Do you think then.. that we should try segregation today.. because we can't really know today.. if "separate but equal".. will work or not? Since the studies of its effects were so long ago? Would you argue that?
 
jaeger19 said:
The word you are looking for is validity.
not reliability.
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It's the same problem either way:

A study made over 25 years ago, may have been valid at the time, but it's not valid today
A study made over 25 years ago, may have given reliable data for society as it was then, but not now

eg: would you use census data from 1950 to base opinions on society today, on ?

Ever heard of "The Doomsday Book"
It was a study done by King William I of England, in 1085 on the value of his realm. It may have been entirely accurate for the day, but would you base any decision or opinion of society today upon it ?

jaeger19 said:
...think about it. A study of the effect of segregation 60 years ago.
Do you think then.. that we should try segregation today.. because we can't really know today.. if "separate but equal".. will work or not? Since the studies of its effects were so long ago? Would you argue that?
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What happened 60 years ago bears no relation on what would happen today

Recent studies in other countries* would be more valid upon which to form any opinion or policy.


*Peer countries that is, not some third world country in a war zone.
 
Rich2018 said:
It's the same problem either way:

A study made over 25 years ago, may have been valid at the time, but it's not valid today
A study made over 25 years ago, may have given reliable data for society as it was then, but not now

eg: would you use census data from 1950 to base opinions on society today, on ?

Ever heard of "The Doomsday Book"
It was a study done by King William I of England, in 1085 on the value of his realm. It may have been entirely accurate for the day, but would you base any decision or opinion of society today upon it ?



What happened 60 years ago bears no relation on what would happen today

Recent studies in other countries* would be more valid upon which to form any opinion or policy.


*Peer countries that is, not some third world country in a war zone.
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Where would you be without your universal blanket statements, Rich? Oh yeah...making better arguments.
 
Rich2018 said:
It's the same problem either way:

A study made over 25 years ago, may have been valid at the time, but it's not valid today
A study made over 25 years ago, may have given reliable data for society as it was then, but not now

eg: would you use census data from 1950 to base opinions on society today, on ?

Ever heard of "The Doomsday Book"
It was a study done by King William I of England, in 1085 on the value of his realm. It may have been entirely accurate for the day, but would you base any decision or opinion of society today upon it ?



What happened 60 years ago bears no relation on what would happen today

Recent studies in other countries* would be more valid upon which to form any opinion or policy.


*Peer countries that is, not some third world country in a war zone.
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A study done 25 year ago may be JUST as valid now as it was then.

What happened 60 years ago certainly has relation on what happened today.
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Seriously rich.. you have so little understanding of this issue.. you should read way more.. and not post. Get back to the group when you know more about this topic.
 
jaeger19 said:
A study done 25 year ago may be JUST as valid now as it was then.
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Even if opinions/practices today, match those of 50+ years ago, it can not be assumed that they do based on a study that long ago

And a new study should be done before any conclusions/decisions are made.

jaeger19 said:
What happened 60 years ago certainly has relation on what happened today.
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
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A meaningless quote

History does not make predictions
You can't base predictions on historical events, only possibilities.

jaeger19 said:
....you have so little understanding of this issue.. you should read way more.. and not post. Get back to the group when you know more about this topic.
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No, you just can never accept being wrong

Tell you what, how about you cite a piece of legislation that was based on historical studies done over 25 years ago ?
 
Rich2018 said:
Even if opinions/practices today, match those of 50+ years ago, it can not be assumed that they do based on a study that long ago

And a new study should be done before any conclusions/decisions are made.



A meaningless quote

History does not make predictions
You can't base predictions on historical events, only possibilities.




No, you just can never accept being wrong

Tell you what, how about you cite a piece of legislation that was based on historical studies done over 25 years ago ?
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Sorry rich..but you are just wrong. Like I said.. I made a friendly suggestion. You can take it or not. I guess it depends on whether you want to try to get any credibility on this forum or not.
If not.. just continue to post.
 
jaeger19 said:
Sorry rich..but you are just wrong. Like I said.. I made a friendly suggestion. You can take it or not. I guess it depends on whether you want to try to get any credibility on this forum or not.
If not.. just continue to post.
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You don't sound very sorry

And no, it's you who's wrong but just can't bring yourself to admit it

Whilst a 25+ year old study might have been accurate in the day is was done
It's no basis for anything like legislation today.
 
Rich2018 said:
You don't sound very sorry

And no, it's you who's wrong but just can't bring yourself to admit it

Whilst a 25+ year old study might have been accurate in the day is was done
It's no basis for anything like legislation today.
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So should any legislation that is initiated on the basis of a more current study, be required to sunset after a few years?
 
Rich2018 said:
You don't sound very sorry

And no, it's you who's wrong but just can't bring yourself to admit it

Whilst a 25+ year old study might have been accurate in the day is was done
It's no basis for anything like legislation today.
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Whatever makes you feel better about yourself rich.
have a nice day.
 
Rich2018 said:
You don't sound very sorry

And no, it's you who's wrong but just can't bring yourself to admit it

Whilst a 25+ year old study might have been accurate in the day is was done
It's no basis for anything like legislation today.
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You are, as usual, wrong.
 
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