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Should George W. Bush be charged with high treason? (1 Viewer)

Should George W. Bush, his cabinet and advisors be charged with treason?

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Maximus Zeebra

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You president, you leader has created the biggest political mess, and driven your country from a properous rich nation respect and loved around the world, to a clown nation that no longer has respect, (except the military) and is hated around the world by the people of almost all nationalities.

Here is what he did..

From his doubtful election victory over Al Gore in 2000 to 11.09.2001, Bush did absolutely nothing and was branded a pretty incompetent and actionless president, the only thing people can remember from that period is the taxcusts and the growing US debt.

When 911 finally came for him it was his golden opportunity, 4000 people had died and George W. Bush could declare the start of world war 3, errh the "war against terrorism" I mean.

Obviously Osama Bin Laded was the responsible person for the attacks on the world trade center, according to the media at least. Osama said he did it according to the translations, so he and Al Quaeda must have done it. The taliban was obviously guilty as well since their country was refuge to Al quaeda and the homecountry of Osama. Most of the world supported the US invasion of Afghanistan. There havent been many questions about it, but considering later actions from the Bush government, the whole deal should be investigated further, it might be they mislead the world community into Afghanistan.
Well, after the successfull revenge on Afhanistan for what Osama and his gang did, the bloodthristy American people were happy, someone was held responsible.
The war in Afghanistan started swiftly after the WTC attacks, the Bush administration had no reason to have any policies in American politics, and kept thriving on the war in Afghanistan.
During and after the war in Afghanistan the US debt and trade deficits doubled, and China, once poor was starting to really gain some international muscles.
The only politics Bush had at home was lowering taxes, while having no regard for the real economics of doing so. The dollar has declined strongly as a respected and stable world currency, and people would rather keep or trade in Euroes, pounds or yen at this stage, than the insecure dollar underpinned by unimaginable amounts of debt and trade deficits. Bush drove the American economy close to the edge of the mountain, ready to collapse if it gets a push.

Then he and his cabinet decided they should start a massive propaganda campain, not seen since nazi Germany before second world war, to start a war in Iraq. We all know what that led to..

Current cost of Iraq 400 billion $.
3000 American soldiers have lost their lifes.
between 80.000-400.000 Iraqi civilians and military have lost their lifes.
Iraq is on the virge of collapse and civil war.
The middle east is on the brink of disaster and conflict with the west.
The clash of civilizations, Christians and muslims is starting.
The world is closer to a third world war than it has ever been.
Multiplication of terrorist attacks, multiplication of terrorist networks and terrorists.
Multiplication of serious terrorist attacks. Uprising of extreme hatred and terrorism.
An estimated cost of 1-1.5 trillion dollars in total.
Broken US reputation around the world, driving your country from a loved country to the most hated country in history EVEN among your allies.
A majority of European believe the American government is the biggest threat to world peace and stability, over twice the amount of the people who believe Iran having nuclear weapons represent a bigger threat. Five times the amount that believe North Korea and nuclear weapons represent a bigger threat.

Basically to sum it up, the Bush government have managed to ruin everything the US have built for 100ds of years, and managed to sabotage US interests like noone has ever done before..

This is the certain things, the known facts, not the maybes and such..

Judged by these facts and assesments of it, should George W. Bush, his advisors, and his cabinet be charged with high treason for misrepresenting the US, and contradicting US interests, maybe even sabotaging them.

What about after the "maybes", there are many. Should Bush be charged with treason, a simple question? Should his cabinet and advisors also be charged?
 
The only politics Bush had at home was lowering taxes, while having no regard for the real economics of doing so. The dollar has declined strongly as a respected and stable world currency, and people would rather keep or trade in Euroes, pounds or yen at this stage, than the insecure dollar underpinned by unimaginable amounts of debt and trade deficits. Bush drove the American economy close to the edge of the mountain, ready to collapse if it gets a push.

This is a very sick assesment of the economy *after* 911. Do you remember the names of those buildings and what the folks did in them?
*hint* it had to do with money and it deeply effected our economy.

As far as peeps wanting to trade with other countries - this has everything to do with businesses going overseas for cheaper labor. I believe it was during the Regan administration that this trend started.

Basically to sum it up, the Bush government have managed to ruin everything the US have built for 100ds of years, and managed to sabotage US interests like noone has ever done before.
That is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Should Bush be charged with treason, a simple question? Should his cabinet and advisors also be charged?
Nope. Congress gave him permission. If you wish to charge the President - charge Congress and the Supreme court justices too and get all new blood in there. Then sue the Brits as they shared in intelligence. Then sue Clinton as he had a presidentual proclimation that we would relieve Sadam of power - it was law btw.
 
This is a very sick assesment of the economy *after* 911. Do you remember the names of those buildings and what the folks did in them?
*hint* it had to do with money and it deeply effected our economy.
The trend started with building a huge debt before 911, a big trade deficit, this path just got worse after the attacks of the WTC(which I named in the last thread btw).
Clinto had just fixed the mess of the republicans when he ended his presidency, as far as I remember without checking any sources, America was debt free and running a very low trade deficit if any at all.

As far as peeps wanting to trade with other countries - this has everything to do with businesses going overseas for cheaper labor. I believe it was during the Regan administration that this trend started.
Reagan was a fool, but still a genius if compared with Bush.

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
Indeed I am.. Maybe you should vote NO if your opinions differ.

Nope. Congress gave him permission. If you wish to charge the President - charge Congress and the Supreme court justices too and get all new blood in there. Then sue the Brits as they shared in intelligence. Then sue Clinton as he had a presidentual proclimation that we would relieve Sadam of power - it was law btw.

Congress dont suggest American politics, nor lead the country in a direction, nor should they be held responsible for the propaganda of Bush and his cabinet of saboteurs and country traitors.
 
Apparently, mindless knuckle-dragging savages like Ann Coulter aren't the only Americans who have completely forgotten what the word "treason" means and what it means to be tried for it-- much less convicted.

Do not cheapen the most heinous crime recognized by our Constitution by using it as a brush to paint your enemies with. It's disgraceful.
 
Apparently, mindless knuckle-dragging savages like Ann Coulter aren't the only Americans who have completely forgotten what the word "treason" means and what it means to be tried for it-- much less convicted.

Do not cheapen the most heinous crime recognized by our Constitution by using it as a brush to paint your enemies with. It's disgraceful.


In my humble opinion, based on all the facts I have on the Bush administration, its clearly true to me that Bush is a traitor to his own country. What is less clear is if he did it to sabotage the US or if he is just stupid, I believe since Bush is marely a tool of someone else that he is not as stupid as he present himself and that he did all this to sabotage the US for a very long time.. At least he succeeded with that if he tried or not.. Enough for me to scream treason.
 
In my humble opinion, based on all the facts I have on the Bush administration, its clearly true to me that Bush is a traitor to his own country. What is less clear is if he did it to sabotage the US or if he is just stupid, I believe since Bush is marely a tool of someone else that he is not as stupid as he present himself and that he did all this to sabotage the US for a very long time.. At least he succeeded with that if he tried or not.. Enough for me to scream treason.

How can you scream treason when you live in the UK?
 
That doesnt make Bush less of a traitor to his own country, does it?

I was just asking. You don’t want to answer that’s fine.

Vauge, someone who does live here in the US posted a good reply.

Would like to post the source for your claims or are these just your own personal thoughts about the US and bush?
 
I'll say no. I think Bush has done think differently than I would have and has POSSIBLY done things illegally/unconstitutionally, but these were not treasonous.
 
The trend started with building a huge debt before 911, a big trade deficit, this path just got worse after the attacks of the WTC(which I named in the last thread btw).
Were you aware that Bush did *nothing* in his presidency until after 9/11?

Clinto had just fixed the mess of the republicans when he ended his presidency, as far as I remember without checking any sources, America was debt free and running a very low trade deficit if any at all.
So, logically one can conclude that Clinton handed Bush a time bomb as it was heading that way with a "trend started" already and Bush did nothing during the first 9 months of his term.

Hook, bait and sinker. :)

Congress dont suggest American politics, nor lead the country in a direction, nor should they be held responsible for the propaganda of Bush and his cabinet of saboteurs and country traitors.
Congress has the power no the Prez. Feel free to read the US Constitution.
 
Sorry I won't label Bush a traitor. I do think there are possible grounds for impeachment, but a traitor? No.

I am a die hard against Bush and his policies, but I won't stoop to say he is a traitor of the U.S.
 
Originally Posted by vauge
(To Maximus Zeebra) Were you aware that Bush did *nothing* in his presidency until after 9/11?

Yes, in his first post he even said it.

Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
From his doubtful election victory over Al Gore in 2000 to 11.09.2001, Bush did absolutely nothing and was branded a pretty incompetent and actionless president,

Originally Posted by vauge
Congress has the power no the Prez. Feel free to read the US Constitution.

Yep. Article 1 Section 8 Subsection 11 and 12

Also, the War Powers Act limits Presidential authority to sending military somewhere without notifying Congress for up to 30 days and must have Congressional Approval to continue operations for longer than 60 days.

The issue now is money set in the budget specifically for troops already in the field. Even if Congress pulls the plug, the money is there for a while. This is the issue facing Bush's decision to send up to 20-40,000 more troops. He will be announcing something along those lines tonight.
 
As much as I like Bush :cool: . To try him for treason would be well...a little extreme dont you think? Hang him...hey I'll get the rope....but treason? I think he ment well when he started this whole Iraq war thing but after that he just kinda went south. The patriot act was the first step down and then came the wire tapping with no papers issue. I think he did all these things for what he thought was the good of the American people. However like most conservatives I think he thought that nobody would have a problem with any of his actions and that he should imposse them on people without asking permission from the American people. If you look at it the right way, the American people gave Bush permission to do everything he did after 9/11. He united us. He showed that we had enemies that needed to be taken care of. However after the Iraq war started people like Rummy took over and the American people became frustrated because politics started playing a bigger role in this war then any of the actual players. The Bush administration stopped litsening to us and we dont like that. History shows that a president who litsens to the concerns of the American public has a better chance of having our support then one who doesn't. Even if he means well.
 
Where is the giving aid and comfort to the enemy?
 
Where is the giving aid and comfort to the enemy?

I would say by allowing Cheney and Rumsfield (the enemies) to use 911 to wage this war that they wanted to wage for decades.....


In all seriousness....I agree with previous posters. I think Bush is arrogant and ignorant....but I don't think he has committed treason.
 
I would say by allowing Cheney and Rumsfield (the enemies) to use 911 to wage this war that they wanted to wage for decades.....


In all seriousness....I agree with previous posters. I think Bush is arrogant and ignorant....but I don't think he has committed treason.

The idea is absurd. But it shows you how willing the left is to politicize our national security and in fact give hope and encouragement to our enemies by splitting our country apart.
 
The idea is absurd. But it shows you how willing the left is to politicize our national security and in fact give hope and encouragement to our enemies by splitting our country apart.

What idea is absurd?

Charging Bush with treason? I already said that I didnt support that.

Or are you referring to my reference to Cheney and Rumsfields decades old desire to attack Iraq?

That is well documented truth. History is well established going to Nixon/Ford....through Bush1....that Cheney and Rumsfield had desires to invade Iraq.

Certainly you haven't bought into the spin that we attacked Iraq because of 9/11. Even the Bush Administration has distanced themselves from that rationale as of late.

As far as splitting our country apart....don't get me started. Bush has done more than any President in our history to use Wedge issues to divide the Country for his political advantage.....and if you can't see that.......
 
Traitor? Wow. And what member of the Global Left in America will be first to cheer for his post? I absolutely have to reply on this rediculous thread.

Considering that the creater is a firm believer in the European Union as the next great empire on earth...
Europe is now coming together as a single unity just for those reasons you mentioned, and personally I believe what will make Europe unchallenged for the next 1000 years, is exactly because the populations of the greatest civilizations of the last 1000ds of years is coming together in one.
When Europe becomes a federation, there will be no one able to compete, Europe will have anything they wish for and set the policies and examples for generations to come.. IN fact, I believe and hope Europe will save the rest of the world from poverty and opresion with their socialist policies and equality and justice for all rather than take most and greed policies of America.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/457615-post81.html

and an anti-black...
Actually muslims are the "problematic" minority in Europe, while blacks are the "problematic" minority in the US. http://www.debatepolitics.com/462186-post116.html

and an antisemetic....
Once the world was in anti nazism mood as well....
http://www.debatepolitics.com/462178-post112.html
and a fundamentally anti-American Global Left cheerleader....
American power haver lasted 60 years(since world war 2) and have brought nothing good to the world, their power is already crumbeling under the rise of China and the Unity of Europe. The US will also realize the next 50 years that their short reign of power would be shortlived when all the European empires unite in one after centuries of war and disagreements to create everlating peace and prosperity for the world.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/457615-post81.html

...I'm not surprised.


Why is it that some Europeans find great comfort in finding reasons to make their opinions of America...matter? Are you aware of the definitions of treason? It's like I always say, jealousy as a factor in the world is very much behind all the resentment. We will never be forgiven for denying Europe their parties - the Nazi party, Soviet Communism, and today's stagnated and failing European socialism. Everytime America shatters yet another Old European myth of control or restrictive social governance we shame those that have been trying for thousands of years. We are largely hated for what we do for ourselves, not for what we do to others.

Now we entertain the notion that a citizen in another country (who undoubtedly supported the "stability" Hussein offerred and has so far refused to divulge his nation of origin) has the right to declare who is and who is not a traitor in America as he expresses his "opinions" in which America ensured he could have over fifty years ago. I would also like to call attention to the fact that "Maximus Zeebra" voted four seperate times in his own poll. I love how America has become the source of entertainment for the bored world.

Please...define for us exactly what a traitor is without the desperations of your first post.......
 
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What idea is absurd?

Charging Bush with treason? I already said that I didnt support that.

Yes I was adding further comment for the benefit of all.

Or are you referring to my reference to Cheney and Rumsfields decades old desire to attack Iraq?

That is well documented truth. History is well established going to Nixon/Ford....through Bush1....that Cheney and Rumsfield had desires to invade Iraq.

To remove Saddam's requiem you mean, it was so much the desire of the Clinton adminsitration they made it the official policy of the United States stating that ultimately force would have to be used.

Certainly you haven't bought into the spin that we attacked Iraq because of 9/11.

That was Democrat spin not mine.

Even the Bush Administration has distanced themselves from that rationale as of late.

It was never close to it although one of the reason was to prevent terrorist from getting the means to create even more horrific attacks.

As far as splitting our country apart....don't get me started.

Why not when it is the truth?

Bush has done more than any President in our history to use Wedge issues to divide the Country for his political advantage.....and if you can't see that.......

Actually that was the Democrat's with their propaganda such as claiming Bush invaded Iraq because of 9/11 which was a lie or talking about impeachment, or that he lied about the intelligence or cherry picked or finagled it, all discounted by every commission and investigation that has looked into it. It was the Dems who have labled the war immoral, illegal, every minute of it only making the situation worse and demanding we cut and run. Yeah that's the way to keep or resolve up and get other nations to join in. Yep that's the way to convince out enemies we will not let them prevail.
 
I was just asking. You don’t want to answer that’s fine.

Vauge, someone who does live here in the US posted a good reply.

Would like to post the source for your claims or are these just your own personal thoughts about the US and bush?


I suppose the treason thing might be only my go on the whole ordeal of the incompetent president, but I know many many people see what Bush have done for America, and see it mostly as a highly bad thing for the country itself.
 
I'll say no. I think Bush has done think differently than I would have and has POSSIBLY done things illegally/unconstitutionally, but these were not treasonous.

Not even the "patriot act"?
Do you know how many of your constitutional rights were taken away with that? What kind of things the government can do to the individual now that the individuals rights have been stripped away from them?
 
Were you aware that Bush did *nothing* in his presidency until after 9/11?

yeh, he did nothing good.. He did some tax cuts that sent America far into the reds again after clinton fixed the reds of Bush senior.

So, logically one can conclude that Clinton handed Bush a time bomb as it was heading that way with a "trend started" already and Bush did nothing during the first 9 months of his term.

Hook, bait and sinker. :)

Uhmm, you seem to misunderstand.. Clinton FIXED the mess of the administration before him, when Clinton came to office there was also a debt and deficit problem, when he left there was none.

Congress has the power no the Prez. Feel free to read the US Constitution.

Yeah, feel free to read the patriot act man.
 
Sorry I won't label Bush a traitor. I do think there are possible grounds for impeachment, but a traitor? No.

I am a die hard against Bush and his policies, but I won't stoop to say he is a traitor of the U.S.

What good has he done for the US?

I would list some of the bad things (he did for your country) as.

1 Ruining your relations with nations around the world
2 Ruining the economy
3 Breaking the faith in the dollar, something that lead to the VERY rapid rise of the Euro
4 Mislead your country into war, loosing 3000 soldiers until now, American soldiers.
5 Making the US hated around the world, even among their allies
6 Making the risk of terrorist attacks in the US far higher than it was
7 Increasing the number of possible terrorists around the world, terrorists around the world and die hard terrorists.
8 There are reports of Americans now turning into terrorist naming iraq as the reason, willing to blow down building and what not.

There are many things I could keep going with that Bush have done to hurt your country..

The real question is, was it out of ignorance and stupidity or was it on purpose for sabotage or something else.
 

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