Should Future Presidents be Christians? (1 Viewer)

[ptsdkid]

These 2005-2006 statistics show the Christian denominations to our most powerful government offices.


Presidents: 38 Christians

Vice Presidents: 43 Christians

Senators: 88 Christians

Congressmen: 405 Christians

Governors: 48 Christians

Judicial Supreme Court: 5 Cathloic & two non-Christians

 

[Hatuey]

What do the numbers you've shown have to do with our future presidents?



A president shouldn't be chosen because he's a christian. He should be chosen because of the povs he has on issues important to Americans. Not because he's part of a particular religious group.

 

[ptsdkid]

What do the numbers you've shown have to do with our future presidents?

***Let me guess that you're happy being an American, and living in the most powerful country in the world. Having said that, then you must have some acknowledgement of and pride in realizing that Christianity has had a great deal to do with our current and past sovereignty. While I realize a future president could be of a denomination other than Christian--I do see that possibility troubling in light of the dangers that Zionism and Islam bring to the table with this new breed of presidential hopefuls.

 

[Hatuey]

***Let me guess that you're happy being an American, and living in the most powerful country in the world.

Sure. Has it's ups and downs but it's smooth sailing most of the time for me.

Having said that, then you must have some acknowledgement of and pride in realizing that Christianity has had a great deal to do with our current and past sovereignty.

Specially the part about the Native Americans.

While I realize a future president could be of a denomination other than Christian

Uh huh....

--I do see that possibility troubling in light of the dangers that Zionism and Islam bring to the table with this new breed of presidential hopefuls.

Only because you dont even bother to research said presidential hopefuls and would rather litsen to Rush "Crackhead" Limbaugh for that kind of information.

 

[Iriemon]

Some of our greatest presidents were not Christians. Jefferson comes first to mind.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

These 2005-2006 statistics show the Christian denominations to our most powerful government offices.


Presidents: 38 Christians

Vice Presidents: 43 Christians

Senators: 88 Christians

Congressmen: 405 Christians

Governors: 48 Christians

Judicial Supreme Court: 5 Cathloic & two non-Christians

How about I end this right now? This is a classic example of the Cum hoc ergo propter hoc (mistaking correlation with causation) logical fallacy. Your post proves absolutely nothing.

Gee...that was fast... :mrgreen:

 

[dragonslayer]

These 2005-2006 statistics show the Christian denominations to our most powerful government offices.


Presidents: 38 Christians

Vice Presidents: 43 Christians

Senators: 88 Christians

Congressmen: 405 Christians

Governors: 48 Christians

Judicial Supreme Court: 5 Cathloic & two non-Christians

No No NO.

I know that you conservatives hate the constitution,

but believe it or not

Most folks in our country are proud of it.

You don't consider catholics Christians??

Oppose a NeoConservative:

Save our Troops...
Return America to the people..
Love Yourself...
Love Life...
Love GOD...
Send Bush hunting with Cheney.

 

[Thelost1]

What's wrong with loving Rush? 2112 is a really good album.
[/joke]

 

[flaherty12]

These 2005-2006 statistics show the Christian denominations to our most powerful government offices.


Presidents: 38 Christians

Vice Presidents: 43 Christians

Senators: 88 Christians

Congressmen: 405 Christians

Governors: 48 Christians

Judicial Supreme Court: 5 Cathloic & two non-Christians

no, our future presidents should all be jews, so the budget will stay ballanced for ever:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[nort_12345]

i wouldn't really care if a prez is religious or not. as long as he doesn't bring his religion into politics and political deciosion making.

 

[nort_12345]

What do the numbers you've shown have to do with our future presidents?



A president shouldn't be chosen because he's a christian. He should be chosen because of the povs he has on issues important to Americans. Not because he's part of a particular religious group.

sadly, that makes a huge difference in how people vote. an atheist or muslim would never win presidency nowadays simply because of his religion (or non religion). it's sad but that is how it is.

 

[1069]

sadly, that makes a huge difference in how people vote. an atheist or muslim would never win presidency nowadays simply because of his religion (or non religion). it's sad but that is how it is.

Well, you say "nowadays", but it's really only been in the past six years or so that evangelicals have had so much influence and political power.
And I already see signs that their influence and power is waning.
Certainly in the 90s, I didn't notice a bunch of fundamentalist Christians running around bothering everybody like they do here lately.
I think these things go in cycles; I think now christianity is on its way out, and secularism is on its way back in... and for the next decade or so, these extremist Christian factions will be forced back underground, which is where they (and all religions, and all lack of religions) belong anyway. Religion should be a private matter; I find these blatant public displays of it distasteful in the extreme.
But my point is... don't count non-Christians out just yet.
When Clinton was elected, nobody much cared whether he was or wasn't a Christian.
What we cared about is that he wasn't a part of the conservative, republican Reagan/Bush regime, which had been in power for twelve years by the time Clinton came along. Frankly, we were all sick of it. Sick of warmongering, sick of conservatism, sick of the bogus "morality" of the Right.
It's only been seven years this time, but I think that's about where America is again. I think in 2008, they'll elect anybody who is different from Bush, and who is likely to halt, derail, divert, or reverse the craziness of the past eight years.
I don't think religion will be much of a factor at all.

 

[Navy Pride]

I am a Catholic although not that religeous but I could never vote for a Muslim or Atheist for president......In spite of what 1069 wishes I think this country is still a God fearing country and I doubt very seriously if an atheist or a Muslim is electable.........

 

[dragonslayer]

i wouldn't really care if a prez is religious or not. as long as he doesn't bring his religion into politics and political deciosion making.

I agree with you. I woud not spell it quite that way, but I agree with you.

lol

 

[dragonslayer]

I am a Catholic although not that religeous but I could never vote for a Muslim or Atheist for president......In spite of what 1069 wishes I think this country is still a God fearing country and I doubt very seriously if an atheist or a Muslim is electable.........

I have to agree with you for a change.

 

[dragonslayer]

No No NO.

I know that you conservatives hate the constitution,

but believe it or not

Most folks in our country are proud of it.

You don't consider catholics Christians??

Oppose a NeoConservative:

Save our Troops...
Return America to the people..
Love Yourself...
Love Life...
Love GOD...
Send Bush hunting with Cheney.

What is a Christian?



relating to or characteristic of Christianity; "Christian rites"
following the teachings or manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus Christ
a religious person who believes Jesus is the Christ and who is a member of a Christian denomination
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

The term Christian means "belonging to Christ" and is derived from the Greek noun Χριστός Khristós which means "anointed one," which is itself a translation of the Hebrew word Moshiach (Hebrew: משיח, also written "Messiah"), (and in Arabic it is pronounced Maseeh مسيح). ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian

the name given by the Greeks or Romans, probably in reproach, to the followers of Jesus ("little Christ's!"). It was first used at Antioch. The names by which the disciples were known among themselves were "brethren," "the faithful," "elect," "saints," "believers." But as distinguishing them from the multitude without, the name "Christian" came into use, and was universally accepted. This name occurs but three times in the New Testament (Acts 11:26; 26:28; 1 Peter 4:16).
Calvary Chapel San Bernardino

Census offices, many dictionaries, mainline and liberal Christians, and the media generally accept as Christian any group that seriously and thoughtfully identifies itself as Christian. Some conservative Christians restrict the term to only born-again Fundamentalist or other Evangelical Christians. ...
Suggested use of religious terms in the media

"One who believes the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. One who follows the teachings of Christ in so far as they are not inconsistent with a life of sin." [DD] Fundies believe only another Fundie can be a Christian.
members.aol.com/porchnus/dict01.htm

a person who believes in Christianity; also an adjective
English Vocabulary: Christmas Vocabulary (EnglishClub.com)

"Christ's ones," that is, believers in Christ. In Acts 11:26 it says that "the disciples were first called Christians at Antioch." The word is often misused today, for it is frequently applied to people in the West simply because they are Westerners or because they are not Muslims or Hindus or Jews, etc. ...
answering-islam.org.uk/Testimonies/TruePath/glossary.htm

a spiritually born-again person who professes to be a follower of Jesus, the Christ or Messiah. This person exemplify the teachings and the life of Jesus. Further, this person believes that they have been unconditionally redeemed of their sins and have received eternal life in Christ by faith.
www.exit109.com/~apg/glossary.htm

1. Someone who has a living relationship with Christ through Baptism. Such a person will never deny that Jesus died to save him from sin, however, not all Christians will be able to express this belief at all times. A baptized baby or a severely mentally handicapped person can still be a Christian. A person doesn't choose to become a Christian. God chooses us. Ordinarily, one becomes a Christian by baptism. ...
www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/4855/jargon.htm

Christian, as distinguished from Jewish
encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861674910/gentile.html

Poland is a Catholic country (over 95% of the population), and the Catholic Church plays a very important role in society. With AWS's victory, it has begun to wield even more power than in the past, as the line between the church and state blurs. For instance, AWS leader Marian Krzaklewski wants to create a new political party based on "Christian values and ideals", which sounds much like the Christian Coalition in the United States. ...
Polish Right Left Socialist Christian

Mormons only (cf. Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 132).
christiandefense.org/mor_define.htm

A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST. At first Christians were exclusively Jews. After Christ's death, Gentiles were brought into the faith and after the apostasy Gentiles dominated the faith to the point of excluding and persecuting Jews.
www.ida.net/users/rdk/ces/definitions.html

Those who follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
re-xs.ucsm.ac.uk/cupboard/exam/examsupp/dloads/cp/cp35.htm

It seems to me that Being christian depends on who you ask. There is not anwers automatic thing that covers all if one chooses to disagree with you.

 

[Navy Pride]

I have to agree with you for a change.

That is scary..

 

[Mainiack11]

A person's religion doesn't matter to me when voting. As long as the person's religion does not control their politics.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

These 2005-2006 statistics show the Christian denominations to our most powerful government offices.


Presidents: 38 Christians

Vice Presidents: 43 Christians

Senators: 88 Christians

Congressmen: 405 Christians

Governors: 48 Christians

Judicial Supreme Court: 5 Cathloic & two non-Christians

Religion has NO PLACE in politics.. You shall not misuse the name og God and Jesus for personal and political gains.

 

[ptsdkid]

Religion has NO PLACE in politics.. You shall not misuse the name og God and Jesus for personal and political gains.

***So are you saying that all of the people represented by those statistics had used God for personal or political gains? You may be on to something here, perhaps we God fearing people should denounce our belief in God before running for and accepting political office.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

***So are you saying that all of the people represented by those statistics had used God for personal or political gains? You may be on to something here, perhaps we God fearing people should denounce our belief in God before running for and accepting political office.

Not what I said.. I said Religion has no place in politics.. Meaning, politicians should not misuse the name of God and Jesus in for example campains or important cases.. A very good example of this is Bush misusing God and Jesus name in the fight against terrorism, in the Iraq war debate, actually in all his failed politics he misued the name of Jesus and God to get the evangslist majority he needed for it.

 

[americanwoman]

I don't think it should really be a factor but I wouldn't hold it against him/her.

 

[ptsdkid]

Not what I said.. I said Religion has no place in politics.. Meaning, politicians should not misuse the name of God and Jesus in for example campains or important cases.. A very good example of this is Bush misusing God and Jesus name in the fight against terrorism, in the Iraq war debate, actually in all his failed politics he misued the name of Jesus and God to get the evangslist majority he needed for it.

***First off, how does one misuse the name of God or Jesus? Only those intending on using blasphemous language toward our creator would even consider such a stunt. Show me where Bush misused God or Jesus in the fight against terrorism. Recall back during the election cycle when Bush was asked what person had the most influence on his life; and he quickly called out Jesus for an answer. His belief in Jesus is what motivates him and his presidency. Certainly nothing to make light of, considering Bush and God have become the most powerful dual on earth.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

***First off, how does one misuse the name of God or Jesus? Only those intending on using blasphemous language toward our creator would even consider such a stunt. Show me where Bush misused God or Jesus in the fight against terrorism. Recall back during the election cycle when Bush was asked what person had the most influence on his life; and he quickly called out Jesus for an answer. His belief in Jesus is what motivates him and his presidency. Certainly nothing to make light of, considering Bush and God have become the most powerful dual on earth.

I rest my case, Bush is blasphemous. :2wave:

 

[Spartacus FPV]

***Certainly nothing to make light of, considering Bush and God have become the most powerful dual on earth.

Saying that god speaks speaks to or through you, or worse, using the Nuremberg defense against him (God told me to invade Iraq) is tantamount to heresy in your religion, isnt it?