Should burning copies of our constitution be legal? (1 Viewer)

[jamesrage]

Some people obviously think our flag is nothing more than a snot rag since they think is undeserving of any protection under the law,so I wonder if they feel the same way about our constition.I will make this poll so that no one can see who voted for what.

I do no know if these same flag burning degenerates are burning copies of our constitution but hey it could happen since some people think so little of our flag.

 

[Binary_Digit]

The American flag and the Constitution both represent the kind of liberty that allows people to burn them. Taking away that liberty would desecrate them and what they represent far more than burning them ever would.

 

[Jerry]

What if I want to burn more than the Constitution? What if I want to burn some tax code along with it?

 

[jamesrage]

The American flag and the Constitution both represent the kind of liberty that allows people to burn them. Taking away that liberty would desecrate them and what they represent far more than burning them ever would.

I think it is a matter of loyalty.We as Americans should not tolerate disloyal Americans.There are over a billion people in this world who would love to be an American citizen,so why keep disloyal Americans?I do not think our forefathers would want it legal for Americans to Burn our flag in a disrespectful manner or to burn our constitution.

 

[Kandahar]

I think it is a matter of loyalty.We as Americans should not tolerate disloyal Americans.There are over a billion people in this world who would love to be an American citizen,so why keep disloyal Americans?I do not think our forefathers would want it legal for Americans to Burn our flag in a disrespectful manner or to burn our constitution.

Where does this end? Should it also be illegal to desecrate copies of federal laws we disagree with, or baseballs, or apple pie, or effigies of the president, or Lee Greenwood CDs, or pictures of the White House?

The pro-censorship crowd poses a MUCH bigger threat to this country than some shithead burning a piece of cloth or piece of paper.

 

[Jerry]

Where does this end? Should it also be illegal to desecrate copies of federal laws we disagree with, or baseballs, or apple pie, or effigies of the president, or Lee Greenwood CDs, or pictures of the White House?

The pro-censorship crowd poses a MUCH bigger threat to this country than some shithead burning a piece of cloth or piece of paper.

I know!
WTF is up with the pro-censorship crowd telling me that I can't commit arson in protest of the government?
If I wana burn the flag, I should be able to!
If I wana burn the Constitution, I should be able to!
If I wana burn some tax code, I should be able to!
If I wana participate in a public book burning of bibles in protest to "In God We Trust", I should be able to!
If I want to burn my own SUV in protest to the government's condoning of global warming, I should be able to!
If I wana burn a 55 gal. drum full of fuel in protest to foreign oil, I should be able to!
....and if 9 people want to join me, the pro censorship crowd should not try and keep us from our constitutionally protected right to burn 550 gallons of fuel in public!!!

FIRE-IS-SPEECH!!

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Anyway, back to reality, why is it that we are allowed to burn a flag in opposition to our country, but we can not "burn" some fire works in support of it?

 

[Kandahar]

I know!
WTF is up with the pro-censorship crowd telling me that I can't commit arson in protest of the government?
If I wana burn the flag, I should be able to!
If I wana burn the Constitution, I should be able to!
If I wana burn some tax code, I should be able to!
If I wana participate in a public book burning of bibles in protest to "In God We Trust", I should be able to!
If I want to burn my own SUV in protest to the government's condoning of global warming, I should be able to!
If I wana burn a 55 gal. drum full of fuel in protest to foreign oil, I should be able to!
....and if 9 people want to join me, the pro censorship crowd should not try and keep us from our constitutionally protected right to burn 550 gallons of fuel in public!!!

A piece of cloth is not going to explode and kill everyone who does it. A piece of paper is not going to explode and kill everyone who does it. So your analogy is disingenuous, because you know damn well that you aren't in favor of making burning EVERYTHING illegal.

As for those other things you listed, yes, of course they should be legal.

 

[Patrickt]

Sorry, James, but you start with a flawed assumption.

"Some people obviously think our flag is nothing more than a snot rag since they think is undeserving of any protection under the law..."

That would be like me saying, "Some people obviously think our flag is a sacred symbol and everyone should be forced to kneel down and crawl when passing it."

The difference in the two statements is that I recognize mine is flawed.

I don't think the government should stop anyone from burning any symbol they want. That doesn't mean I would do it or would approve of it being done. You are, by law, allowed to do a whole host of things of which I don't approve and over which I should have no say. I might even find some of your actions personally offensive. That's my problem and not yours.

 

[Jerry]

A piece of cloth is not going to explode and kill everyone who does it. A piece of paper is not going to explode and kill everyone who does it. So your analogy is disingenuous, because you know damn well that you aren't in favor of making burning EVERYTHING illegal.

As for those other things you listed, yes, of course they should be legal.

Disingenuous?
You mean you missed the part where I said:

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Anyway, back to reality, why is it that we are allowed to burn a flag in opposition to our country, but we can not "burn" some fire works in support of it?

.....this shows quite obviously that I was being facetious. I thought you liked a good slippery-slope and were joking with your comments....

Where does this end? Should it also be illegal to desecrate copies of federal laws we disagree with, or baseballs, or apple pie, or effigies of the president, or Lee Greenwood CDs, or pictures of the White House?

....I mean, come on, obviously no one cares if anyone desecrates a home print-out of a law, a $2 baseball from Wall-Mart, the American pie from the self-titled move, depictions of any given president, or....who the phuck is Lee Greenwood.....or pictures of the White House.

I was just playing along with your crazy liberal game.
Get a grip, guy.

 

[Deegan]

No, and I will tell you why!

The constitution is just a map, a map we live by, and we travel. This does not mean we can not take a left, or a right, it just means that this is a map, and a damn good one, the best ever written!

The flag, this has become more important then that document......who fights for a document? Who wears a document on their sleeve? I'll tell you, no one, and no one every will!

I could not make out a copy of our great map, but I can see a flag burning quite clear, just another reason to end this lame strawman!

And that is what a strawman is kids!

 

[26 X World Champs]

I think it is a matter of loyalty.We as Americans should not tolerate disloyal Americans.

This is another in a continuing series of idiotic threads and posts. Burning a piece of paper in protest is not being disloyal, what a stupid thing to write.

I'll tell you what IS UNAMERICAN! Taking away people's rights to protest and freedom of speech would be an act of disloyalty to the USA and that is exactly what you're suggesting Mr. Rage. In reality people like you are the disloyal Americans who contribute to the division in our country and never contribute to the betterment of the American way.

If I could burn this thread I would....:fueltofir

 

[jamesrage]

This is another in a continuing series of idiotic threads and posts. Burning a piece of paper in protest is not being disloyal, what a stupid thing to write.

It is a shame that you think of our constitution and flag as nothing more than just snot rags.

I'll tell you what IS UNAMERICAN! Taking away people's rights to protest and freedom of speech would be an act of disloyalty to the USA and that is exactly what you're suggesting Mr. Rage.

Lighting something on fire is not speech.

 

[jamesrage]

Where does this end? Should it also be illegal to desecrate copies of federal laws we disagree with, or baseballs, or apple pie, or effigies of the president, or Lee Greenwood CDs, or pictures of the White House?

The pro-censorship crowd poses a MUCH bigger threat to this country than some shithead burning a piece of cloth or piece of paper.

Setting something on fire is not speech.Therefor banning vermon from burning our flags and copies of our constition is not censorship.

 

[afr0byte]

Setting something on fire is not speech.Therefor banning vermon from burning our flags and copies of our constition is not censorship.

Fine, call it freedom of expression. Either way, people should be allowed to express themselves freely as long as they're not injuring someone. Besides, someone could burn the flag to protest the fact that it was made in China.

 

[Patrickt]

Right. And, drawing a cartoon isn't speech so that isn't covered. Actually, written words aren't speech so that wouldn't be covered. Mimes of course wouldn't be covered because they don't speak at all. None of that would be speech. None of that is protected from laws infringing upon free speech.

And, JamesRage must obviously think that anyone who disagrees with him are vermin which should be exterminated, preferrably by him, and with no speech involved.

My time in this silliness is over. Good night.

 

[jamesrage]

Fine, call it freedom of expression. Either way, people should be allowed to express themselves freely as long as they're not injuring someone. Besides, someone could burn the flag to protest the fact that it was made in China.

Show me where does it say freedom of expression?


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

[afr0byte]

Show me where does it say freedom of expression?


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Are you trying to tell me we don't have freedom of expression in this country?

 

[Kandahar]

Show me where does it say freedom of expression?


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Freedom of expression is BLATANTLY implied in freedom of speech and freedom of the press, and certainly covered by the Ninth Amendment.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Show me where does it say freedom of expression?


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

You paint yourself into a smaller corner with every post you write. Freedom of Expression is most definitely guaranteed in the Constitution in the First & Ninth Amendments.

The mere fact that you call people who disagree with you vermin and call for their extermination makes everything else you write have zero value IMHO.

Of all the posters in this forum you are by far and away the scariest and the most Un-American bar none. Your total disregard for anyone or anything that you do not agree with is the anti-thesis of our Constitution and our Country.

This thread is ridiculous and based on absolutely nothing but your bitterness and rage-a-holicness.

 

[mpg]

The American flag and the Constitution both represent the kind of liberty that allows people to burn them. Taking away that liberty would desecrate them and what they represent far more than burning them ever would.

I hope everyone reads this. It makes so much sense.

 

[tecoyah]

OK....plain and simple:

1) Both the Constitution, and the flag are Symbols....in physical reality.

2) A symbol, is a representation of a concept.

3) A concept is meant to place a message in the mind, as a means of solidifying or unifyiing a population.

4) A concept cannot be removed from the mind by simply altering a symbol that represents it.

5) Both these symbols represent a certain aspect of society in this counrty we call freedom, and in some way limiting this freedom by legislation takes away from the very concept represented by the symbol.


Point is....its a part of the fabric of the United States to allow the population to speak out against percieved injustice, as long as it does not cause physical damage another citizen. These actions do not Hurt ANYONE, except feelings.

 

[hipsterdufus]

Some people obviously think our flag is nothing more than a snot rag since they think is undeserving of any protection under the law,so I wonder if they feel the same way about our constition.I will make this poll so that no one can see who voted for what.

I do no know if these same flag burning degenerates are burning copies of our constitution but hey it could happen since some people think so little of our flag.

You'd better talk to your leader.

 

[jamesrage]

Are you trying to tell me we don't have freedom of expression in this country?

Speech is defined as

1. The faculty or act of speaking.
2. The faculty or act of expressing or describing thoughts, feelings, or perceptions by the articulation of words.

So that means speech is communicated in words wether it is written,spoken sign langauge.


So please so me where in the constitution is says freedom of expression.And do not give me some liberal judge interpretation, but actually show me where in the constitution it says freedom of expression.

It is clear there is no freedom of expression in the 1st amendment,so what amendment has freedom of expression in it?


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.




I think that if you really beleaved was a freedom of expression in the constitution you would have produced some evidence of it instead of it instead making horseshit claims.

 

[jamesrage]

You'd better talk to your leader.

I know how to cut and paste too.

 

[jamesrage]

OK....plain and simple:

1) Both the Constitution, and the flag are Symbols....in physical reality.

2) A symbol, is a representation of a concept.

3) A concept is meant to place a message in the mind, as a means of solidifying or unifyiing a population.

4) A concept cannot be removed from the mind by simply altering a symbol that represents it.

5) Both these symbols represent a certain aspect of society in this counrty we call freedom, and in some way limiting this freedom by legislation takes away from the very concept represented by the symbol.


Point is....its a part of the fabric of the United States to allow the population to speak out against percieved injustice, as long as it does not cause physical damage another citizen. These actions do not Hurt ANYONE, except feelings.

By your logic I should be able to run around nude to be able to protest society's forcing of clothing on us.Me running around nude wouldn't hurt anyone and it would not cause physical damage to anyone.