Should American Troops be Brought Home Immediately? (1 Viewer)

[Shroomfarmer]

According to a USA Today poll released today 64% of Americans surveyed said they believe they should. I personally don't. Although I am adamently against this war the fact is that we are there now, we've already gone in and screwed up their country and now we have an obligation to fix it as we promised.

 

[cnredd]

Polls that survey what Americans think when it comes to policy is irrelevant...and in the long run, dangerous...

Rarely do they know the full story being told and most have slants in their questioning...

I'm sure if USA Today asked if Americans wanted Bill Gates to give half of his billions to Americans in $50,000 increments through a lottery system you'd get more than 64% saying "Yes"...

Doesn't mean it's gonna happen...

The Government is elected to do what's needed for the country...not what the country wants...

Sometimes they are the same...sometimes they are not...But the latter should NEVER dictate to the former...

 

[Shroomfarmer]

The Government is elected to do what's needed for the country...not what the country wants...

Sometimes they are the same...sometimes they are not...But the latter should NEVER dictate to the former...

WOW, so much for "by the people, for the people" huh. All I was looking for was an answer to the question, not a whole expose on the accuracy of polls.

 

[cnredd]

WOW, so much for "by the people, for the people" huh.

If that was literal, there'd be no government...

All decisions would be made by the majority of the people through questionaires...51% wins...

Here's and example of what I was referring to...

What if Truman, who was very conflicted with the idea of dropping the bomb on Japan in the first place, opened up the newspaper on August 1st and read that 94% of the country would rather invade and not use nukes rather than blowing up Hiroshima and Nagasaki?...That could've changed his mind because it would've hurt him politically and ultimately resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of American soldiers through the impending invasion...

There's an old saying in sports that works sometimes for politicians as well..."If the coach starts listening to the fans, he'll soon be one of them."...

All I was looking for was an answer to the question, not a whole expose on the accuracy of polls.

Can't say I'm not thorough...

 

[Shroomfarmer]

If that was literal, there'd be no government...

Now that sounds like a Utopia :smile:

All decisions would be made by the majority of the people through questionaires...51% wins...

Here's and example of what I was referring to...

What if Truman, who was very conflicted with the idea of dropping the bomb on Japan in the first place, opened up the newspaper on August 1st and read that 94% of the country would rather invade and not use nukes rather than blowing up Hiroshima and Nagasaki?...That could've changed his mind because it would've hurt him politically and ultimately resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of American soldiers through the impending invasion...

There's an old saying in sports that works sometimes for politicians as well..."If the coach starts listening to the fans, he'll soon be one of them."...

Can't say I'm not thorough...

You make a great point and your probably right. I guess I put too much faith in the American people to make educated and informed decisions. *sigh* We're a nation full of idiots who's only worry is how were going to afford our next 4 ton SUV and how trendy our cappuccino cup is. I don't think however that the majority of Americans would have voted against using the bomb on Japan and I also think that if givin the chance(not through questionaires obviously) the American people could make decisions as a whole. It would take time for people to gain a true understanding of the effect of making rash decisions or decisions that are not throughly thought through but in the long run I think we'd be better for it. At least we wouldn't have anybody to blame but ourselves when things went wrong.

 

[cnredd]

Now that sounds like a Utopia :smile:

For about 20 minutes...

Then watch what happens when someone puts up an adult video store next to a childcare center...With no government they'd be fighting with fists instead of zoning laws...

You make a great point and your probably right. I guess I put too much faith in the American people to make educated and informed decisions. *sigh* We're a nation full of idiots who's only worry is how were going to afford our next 4 ton SUV and how trendy our cappuccino cup is.

Damn you for stealing my style!!!!!....

Look at everything I've written...You've seen members of this forum continue to shy away from it...Can you imagine how the country would react if GWB said the same things I've just written?...They'd tell him to stop bothering them while they go back to watching American Idol & Survivor/Detroit or wherever the hell they are this week...

I don't think however that the majority of Americans would have voted against using the bomb on Japan and I also think that if givin the chance(not through questionaires obviously) the American people could make decisions as a whole. It would take time for people to gain a true understanding of the effect of making rash decisions or decisions that are not throughly thought through but in the long run I think we'd be better for it. At least we wouldn't have anybody to blame but ourselves when things went wrong.

But the decisions made now affect the future longterm...I'd rather have someone who discusses the issues with a Cabinet, the military, and a Congress than some people who can't even make good choices for themselves let alone the nation...

 

[Shroomfarmer]

Damn you for stealing my style!!!!!....

LOL Your making me see things your way already! :2razz:

 

[cnredd]

LOL Your making me see things your way already! :2razz:

Not too hard to do...

I have logic and reality on my side...

 

[Saboteur]

Well let's see.... The coalition forces have taken Bahgdad, found no weapons of mass destruction or means for Iraq to manufacture them. The coalition forces have also recruited and trained Iraqi nationals for their military and police forces, in fact they now lead most of the major assults on the insurgency and militias. And the coalition forces have made free elections in Iraq possible and according to the current administration the elections held in Iraq so far have been a complete success....

How's that for logic and reality?

I say, mission accomplished bring the troops home!

 

[cnredd]

Well let's see.... The coalition forces have taken Bahgdad, found no weapons of mass destruction or means for Iraq to manufacture them. The coalition forces have also recruited and trained Iraqi nationals for their military and police forces, in fact they now lead most of the major assults on the insurgency and militias. And the coalition forces have made free elections in Iraq possible and according to the current administration the elections held in Iraq so far have been a complete success....

How's that for logic and reality?

I say, mission accomplished bring the troops home!

The problem with this is that I personally don't know if those new forces have enough training and recruitment to continue without us...

For that answer, I'll let the military decide...They know better than anyone here...As long as they say "No", I'm on board with it...The second they say say "Yes", I'll be on board with that, too...

 

[BodiSatva]

cnredd -
"I'll let the military decide"

Iriemon would say -
"How do you know that they haven't already decided?"

 

[cnredd]

cnredd -
"I'll let the military decide"

Iriemon would say -
"How do you know that they haven't already decided?"

That's false...You have to twist the words to destroy my intent...

cnredd -
"I'll let the military decide"

Iriemon would say - "So what are you saying? That the military should control all decisions made by the Federal Government?"

That's how it works...:shrug: