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Living is always better than death.
I presented you with an ethical option that is very peaceful.
Killing another human being in aggression remains evil and barbaric.
That's an individual decision and some people would disagree with you. Many prove it all the time.
According to who. You? Are you an authority on that? I really don't think you are.Living is always better than death.
no, it's not.That is objectively true.
I'm absolutely not wrong. You are though and I'm pointing that out to you again.You might disagree in certain cases mentally, but you are objectively wrong.
No it's not. It's not always harm. I just explained to why it's not. Keep rereading my previous post until you can comprehend what to me should be rather obvious.Killing someone else is always a harm and I fail to see how it can be anything else.
That's not new in the slightest. Check your history again.
You are correct, henrin, and I can't believe it needed to be said: yes, killing is always harm.
I have actually attempted suicide before. I assure you I'm fully aware of what you're talking about. I might have wanted to die, but I was wrong.
I have actually attempted suicide before. I assure you I'm fully aware of what you're talking about. I might have wanted to die, but I was wrong.
Dying in pain, suffering, is not 'very peaceful.'
Allowing that suffering when one could alleviate it is evil and barbaric.
Do you ever run out of these ridiculous and stupid lies?
You call dehydration with palliative care "barbaric" "suffering?" So hospices should just shove a pillow over granny's face then so Lursa will approve?
You don't know what the hell you're talking about.
That is you own subjective truth. It is only relevant to you. You believed you were wrong and you know yourself better than anyone else could possibly know you - so you probably were wrong. If that was your ultimate conclusion.
However, your anecdote doesn't trump the reality of other individuals and the lives they live and the suffering they endure. You may have decided against it, but not everyone does.
And in context of this thread - doctor assisted suicide is tailored towards the ill who are suffering from physical ailments that will not leave them ever. They will spend their life in pain.
Before they can go ahead with the suicide they must undergo extensive psychiatric evaluation.
Mmhmm. Right. So the ultimate purpose is to make their exit easy. So if the ultimate goal is make their passing one that is of peace, why is it suddenly if they were, at the patients request of course, to administer the cocktail to allow the patient to leave on their own accord is it all of sudden, murderous? If the goal in both instances is that same - peace.Palliative care is all about achieving said peaceful exit, and it's already used for those wracked with terminal disease.
If you still have your mind and your mobility then there is no shortage of ways in which you can kill yourself. It's not hard to do.
I never went to therapy even though it might have helped. For me, I had to deal with the aftermath of my attempt and battle it on my own terms. I no longer suffer from that state of mind anymore thankfully, and I know that rationally speaking my thoughts were wrong. Life might suck, it might be terrible, I might be unhappy, and I might be in pain, or on the other hand, it might be great, I'm happy, healthy, and just enjoying every minute I'm alive, but no matter what is going on the alternative to life is no longer feeling anything or being anything. I don't think it's rational to believe in an afterlife, but if it exists, hell, I might be wrong and maybe it's goddamn fantastic, but I kind of doubt it. More than likely there is nothingness, and while I'm not scared of death and I see no reason to be scared of nothingness, there is also nothing there. You're nothing, you experience nothing, feel nothing, you see nothing, you feel nothing, you're nothing. How could nothing in any way be better than something? Even if that something is terrible and miserable it is better than nothing.
Do you ever run out of these ridiculous and stupid lies?
You call dehydration with palliative care "barbaric" "suffering?" So hospices should just shove a pillow over granny's face then so Lursa will approve?
You don't know what the hell you're talking about. You're just being contrary for the sake of being contrary, and it's a tired schtick.
I presented you with an ethical way to achieve that end.
Killing is not necessary. Anyone is capable of zero fluid intake and anyone who does so will die from that choice in a very brief timeframe.
Mmhmm. Right. So the ultimate purpose is to make their exit easy. So if the ultimate goal is make their passing one that is of peace, why is it suddenly if they were, at the patients request of course, to administer the cocktail to allow the patient to leave on their own accord is it all of sudden, murderous? If the goal in both instances is that same - peace.
Sure, you may be right. And if this said individual would prefer the most painless exit, one that can only truly by offered by a professional, why can't they have that option.
Again nothing about that is unethical.
I cannot believe this is a serious suggestion.
If the patient has the ability to feel discomfort why should they die in discomfort?
Why not just suggest they can throw themselves out in the freezing cold ad die of exposure?
Nope. Wrong again. Your inflating your opinions and in doing so confusing them with facts. Nothing you said is a fact. Period.Killing in aggression is always barbaric, is always unethical, and should always warrant the criminal charge of murder.
If you give pain medicine to an individual who is committing suicide for the sole purpose of making that suicide painless, then you are assisting in that suicide. Your refusal to use the English language correctly will not distort that fact.If I give you pain medication I am helping relieve a negative symptom.
What does any of that have to do with the mutual agreement between patient and physician to the end the patient's life at their request?If I give you a lethal dose of pain medication on accident, and I'm a doctor or a nurse, that negligence is going to cost me my career in all likelihood.
If it can be proven I did it on purpose, it would likely cost my freedom or even my life.
The ignorance is all on you buddy. Not on anyone else.I can't believe so many people are so ignorant of basic bioethics or basic medical / healthcare information, but I'm not surprised to find an overlap in certain demographics.
That's not always the case. Nor is throwing yourself to your death peaceful. The key word is peaceful. The key concept is people seeking a peaceful death.If you can throw yourself out you definitely don't need anyone else to kill you.
Jay, have you ever seen anybody suffer to death?I can't believe so many people are so ignorant of basic bioethics or basic medical / healthcare information, but I'm not surprised to find an overlap in certain demographics.
If you can throw yourself out you definitely don't need anyone else to kill you.
Objectively, where I live, anyone doing what you suggest would land them in prison until their death, which would probably occur from lethal injection.
And I wholeheartedly disagree with you.Subjectively, aside from the death penalty aspect, I wholeheartedly agree with locking up such murderers.
Forgive the typo in title - *Should America...*
Canadians have right to doctor-assisted suicide, Supreme Court rules - The Globe and Mail
Canada can now be added to the small list of countries that give humans the right to decide when they want to end their lives legally.
Is this a fundamental human right?
And should the U.S. (on a national level) and other countries adopt it?
Jay, have you ever seen anybody suffer to death?
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