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Should all males be required to have vasectomies?

CLAX1911 said:
You are talking about eugenics.
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Eugenics is about the genetic selection of human osprings. This has nothing to do with that unless you think having unwanted children somehow achieves that. This is just a better birth control regime.

" Currently, an astonishing 45 percent of the 6 million pregnancies in the United States each year are unintended. Every year, millions of women, married and unmarried, young and not so young, are getting an outcome — pregnancy — that they didn't plan on or desire. "
 
craig said:
Something that conservatives and liberals may both agree with is that if a male fathers a child that he is unable or unwilling to support he should be forced by the courts to have a vasectomy.

Or we could go even further and require all males have a vasectomy and then when he and his partner want and are able to care for a child, sperm can be harvested from the father and an in vitro fertilized egg implanted in the partner. (Process costs about $25000.)

This would make abortion largely unnecessary and greatly reduce the societal problems of unwanted and uncared for children.
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Uhh....so you want to force all males to have their ball sack chopped into, eh? At what age do you propose such a ridiculous thing?
 
craig said:
Something that conservatives and liberals may both agree with is that if a male fathers a child that he is unable or unwilling to support he should be forced by the courts to have a vasectomy.
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Mandatory sterilization?

No thanks. That sounds entirely too 1930s for me.
 
craig said:
Eugenics is about the genetic selection of human osprings.
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That's exactly what you are proposing.
This has nothing to do with that unless you think having unwanted children somehow achieves that. This is just a better birth control regime.
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Unplanned children aren't always unwanted.
" Currently, an astonishing 45 percent of the 6 million pregnancies in the United States each year are unintended. Every year, millions of women, married and unmarried, young and not so young, are getting an outcome — pregnancy — that they didn't plan on or desire. "
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so you're serious about this you want State mandated mutilations? Who cares if pregnancies are unplanned it's never mattered before.
 
Fishking said:
Uhh....so you want to force all males to have their ball sack chopped into, eh? At what age do you propose such a ridiculous thing?
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Hamish Howl said:
Mandatory sterilization?

No thanks. That sounds entirely too 1930s for me.
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Come on. Vasectomy is not sterilization. Put your man pants on.
 
You seem to have it confused with castration. Which it isn't.
 
CLAX1911 said:
That's exactly what you are proposing. Unplanned children aren't always unwanted.
so you're serious about this you want State mandated mutilations? Who cares if pregnancies are unplanned it's never mattered before.
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Says you. It is time for men to take care of the children they father. And if they can't then they should not be allowed to father any more.
 
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craig said:
Something that conservatives and liberals may both agree with is that if a male fathers a child that he is unable or unwilling to support he should be forced by the courts to have a vasectomy.

Or we could go even further and require all males have a vasectomy and then when he and his partner want and are able to care for a child, sperm can be harvested from the father and an in vitro fertilized egg implanted in the partner. (Process costs about $25000.)

This would make abortion largely unnecessary and greatly reduce the societal problems of unwanted and uncared for children.
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Um... no.
 
craig said:
Still don't understand the eugenics impact you claim. The gene pool is not being manipulated unless you think unwanted children affects it.
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It's because $25K on top of what's already needed is a lot of money to have a kid, and unfortunately in this country there are certain demographics that don't have a lot of wealth. For example, this idea of yours would disproportionally affect black people, sterilizing a much larger percentage vs. white people in the US.
 
AJG said:
It's because $25K on top of what's already needed is a lot of money to have a kid, and unfortunately in this country there are certain demographics that don't have a lot of wealth. For example, this idea of yours would disproportionally affect black people, sterilizing a much larger percentage vs. white people in the US.
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You weren't supposed to notice that, I think.
 
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AJG said:
It's because $25K on top of what's already needed is a lot of money to have a kid, and unfortunately in this country there are certain demographics that don't have a lot of wealth. For example, this idea of yours would disproportionally affect black people, sterilizing a much larger percentage vs. white people in the US.
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Because they are poorer? And having more kids will help? That only leads to generational poverty, And anyway the 25K is only if the vasectomy can not be reversed. And it is not sterilization. It is better birth control. You should be able to plan having a child, 45% of pregnancies are unplanned.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
Has any man had a child without a woman?
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Many sires (I won't call them fathers) deny not being one or acting like one. Women can't. Are you saying it is the woman's fault?
 
craig said:
Many sires (I won't call them fathers) deny not being one or acting like one. Women can't. Are you saying it is the woman's fault?
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You still havent explained why you arent advocating for the same measure (tubal ligation) for women. Please do so.
 
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