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Thank you! :2razz:
And Maximus has a lot of that correct.
rivrat has cheated with married men and thinks that it is justifiable.
It is an old debate between us and I am not that interested in doing it again.
Yes, I do think the idea of someone pressing charges for their wittle hurt feelings is quite stupid.
The punishment for adultery is the same as hurting someone would be in any other relationship: The relationship suffers and/or is ended. There is no need for state intervention for hurt feelings.
Adultry is not even close to being one of the worst things you can do to a person.
I need not justify my choice to have sex with any willing partner of my choosing. The mere idea that I would need to "justify" my sex life to anyone is quite laughable. The idea that anyone would need to justify their sex life to anyone else is quite laughable.
Adultery RUINS families, not just feelings. Its so wrong to think it just hurts feelings.
If you are MARRIED that is just wrong. If you want to sleep with other people when you are married, get separated and divorced.. Geez, how is that difficult to grasp? Do you think its fair that you continue the marriage and then just cheats on your unknowing spouse?
It is one of the worst things.. Torture, rape, murder, violence and all those things rank in another league, but adultery is definetely in the top 10.
If you are MARRIED that is just wrong. If you want to sleep with other people when you are married, get separated and divorced.. Geez, how is that difficult to grasp? Do you think its fair that you continue the marriage and then just cheats on your unknowing spouse?
Not in my book. In my book it's not even in the top 20.
I need not justify my choice to have sex with any willing partner of my choosing. The mere idea that I would need to "justify" my sex life to anyone is quite laughable. The idea that anyone would need to justify their sex life to anyone else is quite laughable.
No, it doesn't. The families ruin their families. Many couples remain together despite cheating partners. Many families are ruined even without cheating. And, not all married people have kids anyway.
The cheating is a symptom of a problem in the relationship. It can either be fixed, or not. It's up to the individuals IN THE RELATIONSHIP to decide what to do. Not you. And certainly not the state.
In many cases, the marriage breakup is the best thing for everyone in it.
And there you go... completely overlook any and all personal responsibility! :lol:
"It aint my fault people, my kids helped ruin the family too!"
I love it. There is a problem in the relationship, so instead of dealing with it, you think that it is ok to **** another person. Sounds like you and those that you have known that do this are truly healthy in the emotional department. :roll:
Bodhi, cheating is usually a symptom of a larger problem. Oftentimes their partner is emotionally selfish in other aspects and the cheater feels neglected. If you keep your partner happy, they are less likely to cheat.
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Feelings... Selfish partner? Get ****ing divorced. Its this kind of attitude which really underlines to importance of making adultery punishable behavior.
Bodhi, cheating is usually a symptom of a larger problem. Oftentimes their partner is emotionally selfish in other aspects and the cheater feels neglected. If you keep your partner happy, they are less likely to cheat.
Seriously? You aren't being logically consistent. You mock feelings and selfish partners but then want to make it a crime to be a selfish partner who hurts the feelings of the other through adultery.
Amazing.
IT said:cheating is usually a symptom of a larger problem. Oftentimes their partner is emotionally selfish in other aspects and the cheater feels neglected. If you keep your partner happy, they are less likely to cheat.
I understand... in this area, you are completely selfish and feel that you should be able to do whatever you want, no matter who it hurts or what laws it breaks. It is clear. We understand.
I certainly mean no disrespect at all IT... but that is completely obvious.
I understand that cheating is a symptom of a larger problem...
My point has nothing to do with sypmtoms, but rather with consequences.
Robbing a bank is also a symptom of eihter greed or being poor, for example.
We don't tolerete robbing a bank for any reason... yet it was only a symptom of a larger issue.
That is all fine. I am simply making a case that adultery should not be tolerated.
There should be a consequence beyond a simple divorce, or child support.
It is not punishment... it is another consequence. Will it get people to think
before they screw around? Irrelevant. That is not the point of such a
consequence.
That being said, I find it absolutely hilarious, and at the same time completely and utterly pathetic that certain people justify such behavior as acceptable, instead of labeling it for what it is... completely selfish and untrustworthy.
I had this debate before and proved my case logically and beyond refute, and I am not that interested in getting that into it again. It is disheartening, for one thing. This is why I ended up not going into law enforcement and law.
Wow.:shock: That's way off. And I didn't even write what you are responding too.
I don't condone adultery. It is selfish. It's not the same thing as robbing a bank though. Cheating doesn't rob the other spouse of anything. It's dishonest, but being dishonest with your spouse isn't illegal. And it certainly has it's consequences just as cheating does.
No one has said its ok. Its just that hurting someones feelings isn't an offense that warrants criminal punishment.How is thinking that it is ok to sleep with married people NOT selfish? .
Everything we do is for selfish reasons. I am no different than anyone else in that regard.I understand... in this area, you are completely selfish and feel that you should be able to do whatever you want, no matter who it hurts or what laws it breaks. It is clear. We understand.
How do I overlook personal responsibility?And there you go... completely overlook any and all personal responsibility! :lol:
Where did I say that?"It aint my fault people, my kids helped ruin the family too!"
Where did I say it was "ok" to cheat? I simply said that lying or hurting someone's feelings shouldn't be a criminal act.I love it. There is a problem in the relationship, so instead of dealing with it, you think that it is ok to **** another person. Sounds like you and those that you have known that do this are truly healthy in the emotional department. :roll:
Ditto here.I live by virtues. Discipline, honor and honesty are the ones I value most.. Personal responsibility/accountability definetely falls under discipline.
But what if getting divorced hurts your spouse and makes them depressed? What if it "ruins the family"? Isn't asking for a divorce a completely SELFISH thing to do?:2bigcry:
Feelings... Selfish partner? Get ****ing divorced. Its this kind of attitude which really underlines to importance of making adultery punishable behavior.
And if your partner cheats on you, you have every right not to tolerate it and get a divorce. Other people have a right to stick it out and work through the issues without state involvement, or jailtime.That is all fine. I am simply making a case that adultery should not be tolerated.
Then what is the point?There should be a consequence beyond a simple divorce, or child support.
It is not punishment... it is another consequence. Will it get people to think
before they screw around? Irrelevant. That is not the point of such a
consequence.
Who said it was acceptable? Who said it wasn't selfish? Who said it wasn't untrustworthy?That being said, I find it absolutely hilarious, and at the same time completely and utterly pathetic that certain people justify such behavior as acceptable, instead of labeling it for what it is... completely selfish and untrustworthy.
Sadly Bodhi, you did not "prove your case" by any stretch of the imagination.I had this debate before and proved my case logically and beyond refute, and I am not that interested in getting that into it again. It is disheartening, for one thing. This is why I ended up not going into law enforcement and law.
Are we going to criminalize all other lying too? Are we going to criminalize any other actions that might "ruin" a family?No. You are trying to justify adultery with
Adultery being criminal behaviour is not because of hurt feelings, but as punishment for ruining families and betraying other people... So, when you loose interest and all those things you mention above, you SHOULD have two choices, get separated/divorced or cheat on the person and pretend like nothing, but risk jail time.
No. You are trying to justify adultery with
Adultery being criminal behaviour is not because of hurt feelings, but as punishment for ruining families and betraying other people... So, when you loose interest and all those things you mention above, you SHOULD have two choices, get separated/divorced or cheat on the person and pretend like nothing, but risk jail time.
In some places, cheating is illegal.
It is anologous to robbing a bank in that it is not behavior that society tolerates.
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