Should abortion be legalized? (1 Viewer)

[wesin_90]

I think they should put a certain age-limit. If you are older than 20, it should not be legalized, because then you are aware of the consequences of having unprotected sex. But if you are a teen, then I think an abortion is a obvious alternative. But what if the women gets raped? then that´s an exeption. In the today´s society, people have too many abortions. Children should be seen as great gifts and not as "problems" waiting to get sucked out from your body.

 

[Jerry]

I think they should put a certain age-limit. If you are older than 20, it should not be legalized, because then you are aware of the consequences of having unprotected sex. But if you are a teen, then I think an abortion is a obvious alternative. But what if the women gets raped? then that´s an exeption. In the today´s society, people have too many abortions. Children should be seen as great gifts and not as "problems" waiting to get sucked out from your body.

Rather than argue Complex Questions, let us start with Simple Truths and work our way forward from there.

Do you subscribe to Humanism, Atheism or similar; or do you subscribe to Theism/Deism, like Buddhism or any of the Abrahamic faiths?

 

[tecoyah]

Rather than argue Complex Questions, let us start with Simple Truths and work our way forward from there.

Do you subscribe to Humanism, Atheism or similar; or do you subscribe to Theism/Deism, like Buddhism or any of the Abrahamic faiths?

Wait...uh....You wish to start with simple Truths, and then begin with Religion? There is no universal truth in religion...only personal truth....which is far from a simple issue. If however, you wish to explore the primary reasoning behind people fighting to outlaw abortion , then truly religion should be the focus.

 

[Jerry]

Wait...uh....You wish to start with simple Truths, and then begin with Religion? There is no universal truth in religion...only personal truth....which is far from a simple issue. If however, you wish to explore the primary reasoning behind people fighting to outlaw abortion , then truly religion should be the focus.

wesin_90,
The above is a Humanist/Atheist reasoning, hence my question as to your religious outlook and world view.

As a Theist/Deist, I of coarse disagree with tecoyah's view that "there is no universal truth in religion...only personal truth...", and so tecoyah and I need not continue with our discussion here unless we wish to simply understand each other or reach a compromise.

 

[tecoyah]

wesin_90,
The above is a Humanist/Atheist reasoning, hence my question as to your religious outlook and world view.

As a Theist/Deist, I of coarse disagree with tecoyah's view that "there is no universal truth in religion...only personal truth...", and so tecoyah and I need not continue with our discussion here unless we wish to simply understand each other or reach a compromise.

Perhaps we two can agree to a true debate....and discuss this topic as an excersize in personal belief, and understanding Dogma?

I'm in if you are

 

[Monk-Eye]

Obvious Solutions

"Obvious Solutions"

In the today´s society, people have too many abortions. Children should be seen as great gifts and not as "problems" waiting to get sucked out from your body.

What you are really saying is that there are too many people.
The purpose of procreation is to perpetuate the self, to survive.
The human animal is not in imminent danger of becoming extinct.
Try reducing the infestation of human apes to some respectable level.
That might solve the desire for abortions.

 

[ngdawg]

Rather than argue Complex Questions, let us start with Simple Truths and work our way forward from there.

Do you subscribe to Humanism, Atheism or similar; or do you subscribe to Theism/Deism, like Buddhism or any of the Abrahamic faiths?

Faith is only true to the one who has it, regardless of where it is placed. It is not an absolute truth, nor is it universal as different people/groups believe in different deities, entities and spiritual code.
It would be impossible to index a personal faith to a political issue and thusly, the question should be irrelevant to this particular discussion.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

I think they should put a certain age-limit. If you are older than 20, it should not be legalized, because then you are aware of the consequences of having unprotected sex.

Twenty? Why not thirty, or forty even?

If a fifteen-year-old woman gets pregnant because she isn't "aware of the consequences", then her parents should be aborted. I have heard a lot of utterly moronic urban legends about pregnancy in my day, but I don't think I've ever met someone who didn't at least grasp the concept that sex can lead to pregnancy.

But what if the women gets raped? then that´s an exception.

Less than one percent of abortions in the US. It's statistically irrelevant. Besides, my understanding of the pro-life argument is that the unborn child is a person with rights of their own-- which certainly prohibits punishing them for the sins of their fathers.

Allowing abortions in case of rape suggests that the position is not based in the sanctity of prenatal life, but in a prurient interest in the sexual activities of others. This is why laws prohibiting abortion were originally struck down by the Supreme Court.

In the today´s society, people have too many abortions. Children should be seen as great gifts and not as "problems" waiting to get sucked out from your body.

This, I agree with. I agree with it wholeheartedly. But you do not change this by changing the laws concerning abortion-- this merely changes a minor financial burden into a lifetime financial and moral commitment.

You change this by fixing our diseased and degenerate culture, and by encouraging people to view children as blessings-- whether they're going to keep those blessings for themselves or bestow them upon others. If we want people to treat children as precious gifts, we have to stop discouraging them from having children. We have to stop treating the mothers and fathers of large families as backwards primitives or sex-craved deviants. We have to stop telling our sons and daughters that getting pregnant-- or getting someone else pregnant-- will "ruin their life", and we need to stop punishing sexually mature men and women for having sex out of fear that they might conceive.

And yes... this means that the most vocal and most dedicated opponents of abortion are part of the problem.

With the disgusting fashion in which our society treats mothers and motherhood in general, is it any surprise that so many are willing to go to any lengths to avoid it?

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Re: Obvious Solutions

What you are really saying is that there are too many people. ... Try reducing the infestation of human apes to some respectable level. That might solve the desire for abortions.

In other words, it isn't that there's too many abortions. It's that there's not enough wars.

 

[Monk-Eye]

War, Famine, Disease

"War, Famine, Disease"

In other words, it isn't that there's too many abortions. It's that there's not enough wars.

Logan's Run?

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Nah. Just doing my part for the munitions industry.

Besides, I'm dead serious. All of these people running around, screaming "there's too many people! there's too many people!" despite the fact that there's no worldwide food shortage and there's still plenty of room... why aren't they doing something about it?

Especially when they're looking down their noses at Mormons and immigrants for having more than their allotted 2.4 children. There's a reason that their cultures are supplanting yours, people; you're not replacing yourselves and they're taking up the slack.

So, yeah. If you really think there's too many people in the world and they're all having too many children-- by all means, break out the machetes. Otherwise, you might as well be complaining about the weather.

 

[Monk-Eye]

Invitation Only

"Invitation Only"

...there's no worldwide food shortage and there's still plenty of room... why aren't they doing something about it?
...
There's a reason that their cultures are supplanting yours, people; you're not replacing yourselves and they're taking up the slack.

Exactly, reproductive freedom, the ability to outbreed the other group, the ability to ensure one's own perpetuation is fundamental to survival. Afterlife is a genetic propogation. It is not a pie in the sky heaven. And noone wants to give up that control.

Those posessed by the mythical stories of afterlife and spiritual triumph maintain reproductive fervor; eventhough, they do so out of complete igonorance acting without awareness, that eternal life is a metaphor for genetic perpetuation.

So now that the truth is told, how does one see their responsibility to procreate, and to perpetuate themselves and their culture?

So, yeah. If you really think there's too many people in the world and they're all having too many children-- by all means, break out the machetes. Otherwise, you might as well be complaining about the weather.

Complaining about the whether, the proposition was that the human ape is trivialized by overpopulation. Abortions as a means of controlling their growth becomes assured as, every little bit counts. Consider
China's One Child Policy as an example.

 

[Jerry]

Perhaps we two can agree to a true debate....and discuss this topic as an excersize in personal belief, and understanding Dogma?

I'm in if you are

When it comes to Christian dogma, the only True Debate which I would forward would be in Hebrew, so I must decline.

 

[Jerry]

Faith is only true to the one who has it, regardless of where it is placed. It is not an absolute truth, nor is it universal as different people/groups believe in different deities, entities and spiritual code.
It would be impossible to index a personal faith to a political issue and thusly, the question should be irrelevant to this particular discussion.

wesin_90,
The above is a Humanist/Atheist reasoning, hence my question as to your religious outlook and world view.