Should a country consult with nieghboring countries when building a fence,wall or....

[jamesrage]

Should a country consult nieghboring countries when building a fence,wall or placing military on it's side of the border and why?









I do not think it is Mexico or Canada's business what we do on our side of the border.If they want to complain about us placing military or putting up a fence or wall on our side of the border they can go **** themselves.I do not care what Mexico or Canada will thinks of us if we put military,fence and or wall on our borders.If I cared what they think I would move to Mexico or Canada

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

It doesn't matter a damn what Mexico might have to say on the matter:

Treay of Guadalupe Hidalgo

ARTICLE XVI

Each of the contracting parties reserves to itself the entire right to fortify whatever point within its territory it may judge proper so to fortify for its security.

There's no ambiguity here. Not a bit. If we want to mine the first 100 yards, or the first 3,000 yards of our territory north of the border, the Mexican government can only advise it's invading hordes to wear steel cups..

As for Canada, you're right. Who gives a crap what they have to say? If they're not entering illegally, they've got nothing to squawk about, right? And if they are entering illegally, who cares what they say?

 

[Hoot]

Great attitude, you guys. No wonder America is so hated these days.

Can you see America in 20 years, when God forbid, Jenna Bush is president?

"Ms. Bush...TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!"

Sound familiar?

 

[Jerry]

Should a country consult nieghboring countries when building a fence,wall or placing military on it's side of the border and why?

No more then I should have to consult with my neighbor before building a fence on my property. Unless my neighbor is on the deed to my property, they have no authority and thus, no say.

 

[jamesrage]

Re: Should a country consult with nieghboring countries when building a fence,wall or

Great attitude, you guys. No wonder America is so hated these days.

I am an American I do not give two shits if some other country hates us for wanting to keep out those who would cross illegally.If I was a piece of **** globalist I might care if France or Mexico likes us,but I am not a piece of **** globalist so I do not care if they like us.

Can you see America in 20 years, when God forbid, Jenna Bush is president?

"Ms. Bush...TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!"

Sound familiar?

The berlin wall was ment to keep a country that was seperated after WWII actually seperate,it had nothing to do with keeping out illegals on the soviet controlled side of Germany.The USA and Mexico are not a divided country they are two seperate countries. So your comparison of a wall on the US border to a berlin wall is nothing more than bull ****.

 

[LeftyHenry]

Re: Should a country consult with nieghboring countries when building a fence,wall or

I am an American I do not give two shits if some other country hates us for wanting to keep out those who would cross illegally.If I was a piece of **** globalist I might care if France or Mexico likes us,but I am not a piece of **** globalist so I do not care if they like us.

oh yes those globalist pieces of **** who believe in world piece and diplomacy, screw 'em texas tough talk is always the way to go.

The berlin wall was ment to keep a country that was seperated after WWII actually seperate,it had nothing to do with keeping out illegals on the soviet controlled side of Germany.The USA and Mexico are not a divided country they are two seperate countries. So your comparison of a wall on the US border to a berlin wall is nothing more than bull ****.

Both stopped people from reaching freedom and prosperity

 

[vexati0n]

There won't be much freedom and prosperity left if we allow everybody in. There is a reason that immigration laws exist. We have to stem the flow of people into our borders to a level our economy, social services, and culture can cope with. Besides that fact, when everybody enters illegally they have no real intention of assimilating into the US, they are just here for the cake. They bring with them the obviously failed notions of economics and social order that have ruined their country in the first place. If these people wanted to do it right, they would apply for citizenship. They don't care about that, though. They don't want to be Americans. If they did, why do they fly the Mexican flag at rallies protesting immigration reform? They want to move up here for a few years, send millions of dollars back home, and then go back, milking our system the whole while.

And while all of this strangling of our country happens, both faces of our one-party government are busy trying to straddle the fence on the issue so they don't piss off too many latino voters. In my opinion, those voters are a danger to our society when they allow their vote to be swayed by an issue that is, to sane people, a pretty simple one.

No, we shouldn't consult anyone when we put up a fence or guard the border with our military.

 

[jamesrage]

Re: Should a country consult with nieghboring countries when building a fence,wall or

oh yes those globalist pieces of **** who believe in world piece and diplomacy, screw 'em texas tough talk is always the way to go.

Globalist are the most unloyal scum of the earth.A nation's sovereignty means nothing to them.

Both stopped people from reaching freedom and prosperity

A wall on the US border would not stop people from reaching freedom and prosperity.They have the legal option of reaching that freedom and prosperity so again your comparison is bullshit.

 

[Jerry]

Re: Should a country consult with nieghboring countries when building a fence,wall or

oh yes those globalist pieces of **** who believe in world piece and diplomacy, screw 'em texas tough talk is always the way to go.

"Globalist" = "Citizen of the World", as in New World Order.

It's biblical prophecy unfolding right before our eyes.

Both stopped people from reaching freedom and prosperity

If everyone hates America, then why are so many trying to get in, I wonder.

If they are coming here for peace and prosperity, which is obviously absent in their country of origin, then it makes perfect since to secure our borders so as to protect that peace and prosperity.

Sure, the immigration process is in need of some streamlining. I'll not argue with anyone there. However, rather than create a new "Guest worker program" (read as "amnesty for illegal aliens"), we should use the "guest worker program" that is already in place: Work Visas.

 

[The Mark]

We should consult them only if they are offering to help build the wall.

We should definitely notify them. As in: "We are going to build a wall on the border between our two countries." Just to let them know.

However, nothing another country says should prevent us from building a wall, changing the size of the wall, or in any way affecting the plans for a wall.....which as far as I know only includes ~ 1/3 of the border between us and Mexico at the moment.

Not exactly sure of the reason for that, but I personally think that a wall should be built that stretches the entire length of the border. Or some collection of barriers that has the same effect.

No one should be able to enter the USA unless they go through the correct procedures.

With so many extremists brewing hatered for the USA, it only makes sense to me that we would want to know who everyone who entered our country was.

But maybe that's just me.

 

[vexati0n]

On the other hand, remember we haven't had any terrorists entering from mexico, but quite a few have tried to get in through the Canadian border.

Che:
Hey, I'm a Globalist too. But I don't think that just dropping any semblance of national sovereignty is going to do any good. Globalization will happen on its own, but if you try to hurry it up you're only going to cause more problems. Nations are not set up today to handle a completely globalized society. Our institutions are still based on national sovereignty, and anything that undermines that sovereignty as directly as illegal immigration does will only cause those institutions to collapse.

If a global society is what you want, you aren't going to get it by blasting America's economy to pieces or by erasing borders. You'll have to use the institutions that are in place today as a foundation for global institutions. That means not overwhelming our social services with applicants who don't even pay taxes to support it. It also means forcing the issue of legal immigration because if you really expect a global society to work, it's going to have to have rules.

 

[Tashah]

I don't think consultation is required, but in the absence of hostilities it would indeed be a nice courtesy and diplomatic gesture.

 

[vexati0n]

I don't think consultation is required, but in the absence of hostilities it would indeed be a nice courtesy and diplomatic gesture.

Maybe, but I'm pretty sure they can get CNN in mexico. And if they don't notice that there is a bunch of earthmoving equipment and granite blocks or fencing materials accruing on the border, they probably don't care that we tell them.

 

[jamesrage]

Re: Should a country consult with nieghboring countries when building a fence,wall or

I don't think consultation is required, but in the absence of hostilities it would indeed be a nice courtesy and diplomatic gesture.

I do not think we owe Mexico or any other country any courtesy,they kind of threw that away when they encouraged 12 million to illegally enter the USA.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Re: Should a country consult with nieghboring countries when building a fence,wall or

I do not think it is Mexico or Canada's business what we do on our side of the border.If they want to complain about us placing military or putting up a fence or wall on our side of the border they can go **** themselves.I do not care what Mexico or Canada will thinks of us if we put military,fence and or wall on our borders.If I cared what they think I would move to Mexico or Canada

A fine example of Bush's diplomacy agenda and the people who agree with him. Being arrogant and in your face macho is exactly why terrorists hate Americans and why so many non-terrorists are growing to despise us.

I think any intelligent person would recognize the absolute need for tact and diplomacy. I realize that Bush is the Poster Child for ignorance but we as Americans should be smarter than our idiot President and understand that working WITH other governments, especially our neighbors is smart policy.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Great attitude, you guys. No wonder America is so hated these days.

Can you see America in 20 years, when God forbid, Jenna Bush is president?

"Ms. Bush...TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!"

Sound familiar?

Why is it that ignorant socialists keep comparing the Berlin Wall with a proposed national barrier to protect our border? Let me guess, they don't know what the Berlin Wall was for. Actually, that's not a guess, that's a conclusion drawn from the evidence provided by their ignorant posts.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Re: Should a country consult with nieghboring countries when building a fence,wall or

Both stopped people from reaching freedom and prosperity

See what I mean?

Kruschev's wall kept his own subjects prisoner, and in slavery, and prevented unauthorized exit.

An American border wall will prevent illegal entry.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

We should consult them only if they are offering to help build the wall.

Yes, we should tell them that since we're building the wall to keep THEM out, we clearly won't be wanting their dubious assistance, especially since they've deliberately acted to force our need to build the thing in the first place.

We should definitely notify them. As in: "We are going to build a wall on the border between our two countries." Just to let them know.

Why? Can't they figure it out for themselves? Or should we simply be interested in saving the investment of people who might decide to not pay the coyote if they know there's a wall? Sounds like not a bit of that's our problem, and the money saved in not telling them could go to building an extra inch of wall or something.

However, nothing another country says should prevent us from building a wall, changing the size of the wall, or in any way affecting the plans for a wall.....which as far as I know only includes ~ 1/3 of the border between us and Mexico at the moment.

Read that Article I posted from the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo.

Not exactly sure of the reason for that, but I personally think that a wall should be built that stretches the entire length of the border. Or some collection of barriers that has the same effect.

Mine fields are both cheaper and more spectacular.

With so many extremists brewing hatered for the USA, it only makes sense to me that we would want to know who everyone who entered our country was.

But maybe that's just me.

No, you're in the majority. Which is something the Republican politicians are learning to their dismay. The people most likely to vote Republican isn't too happy with their give-away program for the US, it seems.

 

[jamesrage]

Re: Should a country consult with nieghboring countries when building a fence,wall or

A fine example of Bush's diplomacy agenda and the people who agree with him. Being arrogant and in your face macho is exactly why terrorists hate Americans and why so many non-terrorists are growing to despise us.

I do not think our arrogance has anything to do with terrorist hating us,these are the same people who murder soccer players for wearing shorts that you are talking about.

I think any intelligent person would recognize the absolute need for tact and diplomacy. I realize that Bush is the Poster Child for ignorance but we as Americans should be smarter than our idiot President and understand that working WITH other governments, especially our neighbors is smart policy.

I never seen any diplomacy on Mexico's part when around 10-12 million of their citizens sneaked into our country.Why should we ask Mexico's or Canada's permission to put up a fence/wall or place military on our border?

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

I don't think consultation is required, but in the absence of hostilities it would indeed be a nice courtesy and diplomatic gesture.

By treaty consultation is not required.

By the recent history of the enemy government, Mexico deserves neither courtesy nor gentle diplomatic gestures. Mine the border, then announce the fact to the world.

Too drastic? Okay, all apprehended invaders are fingerprinted, photographed, DNA'd, and tattooed on first offense. On the second offence, all apprehended invaders are sent to prison for a year. In Afghanistan or Iraq, and released upon completion of their sentence into the neighborhood of the prison. If they like being illegals in a place where they can't speak the language, we'll cater to their whims.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Re: Should a country consult with nieghboring countries when building a fence,wall or

A fine example of Bush's diplomacy agenda and the people who agree with him. Being arrogant and in your face macho is exactly why terrorists hate Americans and why so many non-terrorists are growing to despise us.

I think any intelligent person would recognize the absolute need for tact and diplomacy. I realize that Bush is the Poster Child for ignorance but we as Americans should be smarter than our idiot President and understand that working WITH other governments, especially our neighbors is smart policy.

I'm an intelligent person. I recognize that tact and diplomacy are proper tools when dealing with an emergent situation, and that land mines, killer dogs, Predator drones, and staking out all known water holes with deputized agents authorized to arrest invaders are tactics to be employed immediately as recognition of our rights as soveriegn nation to protect our borders from deliberate invasion by a hostile country.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Re: Should a country consult with nieghboring countries when building a fence,wall or

I do not think our arrogance has anything to do with terrorist hating us,these are the same people who murder soccer players for wearing shorts that you are talking about.

What do you mean? You post a brash generalization that has no facts behind it and you dismiss diplomacy, tact and intelligence. SMART!

I never seen any diplomacy on Mexico's part when around 10-12 million of their citizens sneaked into our country.Why should we ask Mexico's or Canada's permission to put up a fence/wall or place military on our border?

10-12 Millin Mexicans? Really? So according to Jim virtually all of the undocumented aliens in the USA are Mexican. That's an interesting theory. Would you please share with us your legitimate source of information for your claim?

BTW - A true test of Diplomacy is instigating it with the country you're trying to get along with. It seems that Bush and his supporters (is that you?) are fine at instigating WAR but are excrutiatingly inept at instigating Diplomacy.

It doesn't take much of a brain to stick out one's chest and act like a bully. It does take some smarts to get countries that you're disagreeing with to agree to your agenda...

I say stop acting like brutes and start acting like intelligent people and we'll live in a much better world.

 

[jamesrage]

Re: Should a country consult with nieghboring countries when building a fence,wall or

What do you mean? You post a brash generalization that has no facts behind it and you dismiss diplomacy, tact and intelligence. SMART!

Do you think people who murder soccer players for wearing shorts actually give two shits about our arrogance?

Here is a link to animals murdering soccer players for wearing shorts.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5020804.stm

10-12 Millin Mexicans? Really? So according to Jim virtually all of the undocumented aliens in the USA are Mexican. That's an interesting theory. Would you please share with us your legitimate source of information for your claim?

I say 10-12 million instead of just 12 million because there might be 1-2 million illegals from other countries besides Mexico.

BTW - A true test of Diplomacy is instigating it with the country you're trying to get along with. It seems that Bush and his supporters (is that you?) are fine at instigating WAR but are excrutiatingly inept at instigating Diplomacy.

It doesn't take much of a brain to stick out one's chest and act like a bully. It does take some smarts to get countries that you're disagreeing with to agree to your agenda...

I say stop acting like brutes and start acting like intelligent people and we'll live in a much better world.

How is putting a wall,fence or placing military on our border acting like a bully/brutes and why would be it Mexico's business what we do on our side of the border?

 

[FallingPianos]

Re: Should a country consult with nieghboring countries when building a fence,wall or

the only possible reason is environmental concerns. other than that, no.

 

[DeeJayH]

if our neighbor was cooperating with us minimizing Illegal entry to our country we would not need to.
since Mexico is not we need the fence and many other layers of protection at the border

Good Fences make Better Neighbors :2wave: