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Should a 10-Year-Old Girl Be Forced to Give Birth?

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RaleBulgarian said:
Your continuing to make false/uninformed assertions.

List some of the “many rights” adults have that minors don’t. Take your time in considering the difference between rights and privileges, first.
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That would derail this thread because only one of them is abortion without parental consent.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
The entire discussion of abortions/abortion rights is all opinion.

“Partial pro-choice” or “mostly pro-choice” isn’t pro-choice. You either support the right of bodily autonomy or you don’t.

Also, I’d argue that very few, if any, people are pro-abortion. That leaves the vast majority of us that believe (paraphrasing Bill Clinton) abortions should be safe, rare, and legal for all who make the choice.
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I am not sure you are understanding the difference. One can have an opinion and not pursue it politically .

I personally am against abortion. I would never have one. I am 100 percent in the pro-choice camp. 100 percent. I vote to assure choice remains the law.

It would seem that Blue Donkey is 100 percent pro-choice. Likely votes to assure women still have choice. She holds a personal opinion that underage pregnant women abort. Is she voting or pushing the agenda in a way that would make that occur? She made a random statement on an internet bulletin board.

I see a huge difference.

Example.....I see a a woman who is disinterested in caring for her born children. Doing just enough to make due, caring more about getting her mani-pedi than paying attention to her kids that are already acting out due to lack of attention. I might hope she has an abortion. I may think she should have an abortion. I would never ever push for that in any way that mattered. She still maintains the choice .
 
Any person that thinks that a ten year old that is raped and should be forced to carry the pregnancy and give birth is a complete piece of ****.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
No more pretending that you’re not a hypocrite when it comes to females having dominion over their own bodies?


Really? Voting is the only right that I’m aware separating minors from adults. What other legal rights do women have that minor girls don’t?
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The right to own a gun.
The right to free speech.
The right to go where they want to.
The right to assemble.
The right to enter into a contract.
etc.
 
OceanBlues1 said:
I say absolutely not, but apparently the religious protesters in Brazil disagreed. Luckily for the 10-year-old girl and those supporting her, the protesters were unable to stop the procedure, in spite of their best efforts.


Girl, ten, 'raped by her uncle' undergoes abortion in Brazil | Daily Mail Online


Girl, ten, 'raped by her uncle, undergoes abortion in Brazil as crowd of religious protesters try to stop the procedure

By Faith Ridler For Mailonline
Published: 04:15 EDT, 19 August 2020 | Updated: 11:23 EDT, 19 August 2020

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"A crowd of religious protesters attempted to storm a hospital in Brazil to stop a ten-year-old girl from undergoing an abortion after she was 'raped by her uncle.'

The young girl, from Sao Mateus in Espirito Santo, had reportedly been rushed to hospital after complaining of abdominal pains. She was told she was pregnant, and confessed to medical staff that her uncle had allegedly been raping her since the age of six.

The child added she had never reported him to authorities as he had threatened her, Brazilian news website G1 reported. Her uncle, 33, has reportedly been indicted for rape and is on the run.

The ten-year-old underwent a procedure to terminate the pregnancy at a referral hospital in Pernambuco, where angry protesters gathered outside and tried to break into the clinic to stop it going ahead."


I'm just glad this little girl was able to have the abortion despite the protesters trying to break into the clinic to stop the procedure. She didn't need any further trauma adding to that which she has already suffered, and from which it will probably take her a long time to recover. Is it just me, or does anyone else think it's inhumane to try and force 10-year-old children to stay pregnant and give birth against their will?
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You didn't say what stage of her pregnancy she was in.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Any person that thinks that a ten year old that is raped and should be forced to carry the pregnancy and give birth is a complete piece of ****.
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Doesn't the 22 year old grandmother have any say in this matter?
 
gulfman said:
Doesn't the 22 year old grandmother have any say in this matter?
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So you are implying that the mother was probably 12 when she gave birth and that makes it OK for the 10 year old to also give birth. ......... just a 2 year difference, no big deal just get a smaller nursing bra.

Pretty sure you are just amusing yourself by getting rise out of women that I'm also pretty sure you consider need putting in their place. Well you've had your amusement and people are irritated. Goal accomplished.
 
10 years old is pretty young. There is a good chance a full term might have legitimate and serious health consequences.

I am against abortion, but allow for the health of the mother to be considered. And when I say "health" I'm not talking about swollen ankles and uncomfortable bloating. If there exists a health concern that is legitimate, then that would be the ONE and ONLY moral exception in my opinion for aborting a developing human being.

I can't in good conscience exclude a 10 year old girl who was raped from the possibility for an EARLY term abortion. And that being said, I also believe not all young girls are the same case, some may not be harmed by a full term pregnancy, but the decision needs to be based off of sound medical advice.

Lastly, the man who raped her should be given the death penalty. I believe in protecting innocent lives. Guilty lives do not qualify for the same protection. The girl's uncle should get the noose.
 
Bodhisattva said:
The right to own a gun.
The right to free speech.
The right to go where they want to.
The right to assemble.
The right to enter into a contract.
etc.
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The right to own a gun. - owning a firearm isn’t a right limited to adults.

The right to free speech. - again, not a right limited to adults.

The right to go where they want to. - nobody has the right to go wherever they want.

The right to assemble. 3rd time, not a right limited to adults.

The right to enter into a contract. - entering a contract isn’t a right.

Try again?
 
year2late said:
It would seem that Blue Donkey is 100 percent pro-choice. Likely votes to assure women still have choice. She holds a personal opinion that underage pregnant women abort. Is she voting or pushing the agenda in a way that would make that occur? She made a random statement on an internet bulletin board.

I see a huge difference.
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I am nearly 100 pro-choice. No healthy woman with a healthy fetus should have an abortion after an obstetrician deems it is viable without the use of NICU technology. Of course, no woman who simply does not want a baby would put off having an abortion that long. Also, for me "viable" means all of the baby's vital systems are fully functional independent of the mother, not the ability to barely survive in a hospital for God knows how many days.
 
Court Jester said:
10 years old is pretty young. There is a good chance a full term might have legitimate and serious health consequences.

I am against abortion, but allow for the health of the mother to be considered. And when I say "health" I'm not talking about swollen ankles and uncomfortable bloating. If there exists a health concern that is legitimate, then that would be the ONE and ONLY moral exception in my opinion for aborting a developing human being.

I can't in good conscience exclude a 10 year old girl who was raped from the possibility for an EARLY term abortion. And that being said, I also believe not all young girls are the same case, some may not be harmed by a full term pregnancy, but the decision needs to be based off of sound medical advice.

Lastly, the man who raped her should be given the death penalty. I believe in protecting innocent lives. Guilty lives do not qualify for the same protection. The girl's uncle should get the noose.
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The part that gets me is that here is a 10 year old child that was rushed to the hospital with abdominal pain. They find out she is pregnant. Turns out she was raped from the time she was 6 years old . by her uncle. She goes to a facility for an abortion with crowd yelling out stuff similar to "murderer".

On top of that, it looks like her name was leaked.

Exactly when do people want to stop torturing this poor child?????

They want a child -who could suffer great harm as her immature body as the pregnancy continued....let alone huge risks with childbirth.

WTH. WTH. WTH.

The people yelling things like "murderer" outside of the facility she was at, plus the people who released her name.....to me, have essentially "raped" her again. Pro-life my ass. Pro-fetus. Screw the raped child.
 
weaver2 said:
This condensed version of an article from the New Republics speaks to just that double denial of bodily autonomy.

"Right now in Ohio, there is an a 11-year-old child who was abducted, raped, and made pregnant. It’s easy to see, by any sane moral measure, how a regime that forces a child to carry this pregnancy to full term and give birth is monstrous, heartless, and immoral. And it’s just as clear that a state that threatens to kill that child unless she bears that pregnancy to full term and gives birth is morally equivalent to the rapist—taking away that little girl’s agency, declaring that her pain is unimportant, that she has no right to decide who has access to her body.
But the crucial connective point, the point that gets shunted to the side in the culture-war rhetoric of abortion outrage, is this: It is equally monstrous to inflict the same punishment on a woman in her thirties who doesn’t want to be a mother just because the condom broke .... She, too, deserves bodily autonomy. She should not have to beg for it just because some religious extremists and Viagra-addled Republican lawmakers are frightened of women who have sex freely and without remorse. ...... forced-birth extremism*is the logical extension of rape culture.

The question of whether a fetus is a person is conveniently unanswerable. The question of whether a woman is a person, however, is not up for debate—and it is female personhood, not fetal personhood, that should decide the issue of basic bodily autonomy.

Two distinct legal persons with absolute rights to self-sovereignty cannot occupy the same body. Thanks to this deranged counter-moral calculus of moral deliberation, regimes of male supremacists and religious extremists around the world are now in agreement that a six-week-old group of cells is more of a person than any adult woman. After all, that group of cells might be the next Mozart, the next Mandela. The idea that a pregnant woman might be the next Mozart or the next Mandela, of course, does not compute.

The strategy of patriarchal restorationists on the evangelical right has long been to strip women of human dignity, and to force them to bear unwanted children. The point has never been that babies matter. The point is that women don’t.

The Criminalization of Women’s Bodies Is All About Conservative Male Power | The New Republic
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So i bet you could compromise a bill to allow for this young girl to have an abortion for this tragic situation. This rape and incest are criminal conducts and should be thought of as such. But abortion of a baby in the womb put there by an act of consent is also a crime, morally if not under our current law. You want compassion for this young girl yet you have none for the unborn babies that are murdered every year in America.
 
Integrityrespec said:
So i bet you could compromise a bill to allow for this young girl to have an abortion for this tragic situation. This rape and incest are criminal conducts and should be thought of as such. But abortion of a baby in the womb put there by an act of consent is also a crime, morally if not under our current law. You want compassion for this young girl yet you have none for the unborn babies that are murdered every year in America.
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There is no such thing as a baby in the uterus. Abortion is obviously never murder. Everyone knows both completely objective facts except the idiots who get 100 percent of their education at Catholic churches.

Weaver repeatedly stated no incest or rape victim of childbearing age (from 10 to 45) should be forced to give birth. She also is strongly in favor of letting all pregnant girls and women who can't take care of a baby (which, of course, applies to everyone without a high school diploma) have abortions if they want to. You cannot compromise with her on either of those issues.
 
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Blue Donkey said:
There is no such thing as a baby in the uterus. Abortion is obviously never murder. Everyone knows both completely objective facts except the idiots who get 100 percent of their education at Catholic churches.

Weaver repeatedly stated no incest or rape victim of childbearing age (from 10 to 45) should be forced to give birth. She also is strongly in favor of letting all pregnant girls and women who can't take care of a baby (which, of course, applies to everyone without a high school diploma) have abortions if they want to. You cannot compromise with her on either of those issues.
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When a pregnant woman is murdered why is the killer charged with two counts of murder?
 
RaleBulgarian said:
The right to own a gun. - owning a firearm isn’t a right limited to adults.

The right to free speech. - again, not a right limited to adults.

The right to go where they want to. - nobody has the right to go wherever they want.

The right to assemble. 3rd time, not a right limited to adults.

The right to enter into a contract. - entering a contract isn’t a right.

Try again?
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Depends on what you consider rights... the right to an education is a right. The right to clean drinking water is as well...


... and no. Kids do not have the right to speak whenever they want or assemble when they want. Go to any school, household, etc and see how well that works for kids. and no kid can buy a gun. A parent giving their kid a gun is not the kid owning a gun.
 
gulfman said:
When a pregnant woman is murdered why is the killer charged with two counts of murder?
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Because he killed an unborn child that the woman wanted...
 
year2late said:
The part that gets me is that here is a 10 year old child that was rushed to the hospital with abdominal pain. They find out she is pregnant. Turns out she was raped from the time she was 6 years old . by her uncle. She goes to a facility for an abortion with crowd yelling out stuff similar to "murderer".

On top of that, it looks like her name was leaked.

Exactly when do people want to stop torturing this poor child?????

They want a child -who could suffer great harm as her immature body as the pregnancy continued....let alone huge risks with childbirth.

WTH. WTH. WTH.

The people yelling things like "murderer" outside of the facility she was at, plus the people who released her name.....to me, have essentially "raped" her again. Pro-life my ass. Pro-fetus. Screw the raped child.
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I think we both agree that this little girl is a victim of a horrible crime and horrible set of circumstances. Calling her a murderer is outrageous, and speaks to the prevailing ignorance in a backward nation like Brazil.

The unborn child is a life. An innocent life. But the mother is also an innocent child. Fair minded people, even those like me who are against abortion, should all understand that what this little girl is going through is not about an abortion of convenience.
 
Would liberals feel the same way if Bill Clinton was the father?He made numerous trips to Epsteins Island.The filthy pig.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Depends on what you consider rights... the right to an education is a right. The right to clean drinking water is as well...
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Sorry, but you’re wrong. People do not have a right of education or clean water. Disagree? Post proof.

Our rights are guaranteed by our Constitution.

Bodhisattva said:
Depends on what you consider rights... and no. Kids do not have the right to speak whenever they want or assemble when they want. Go to any school, household, etc and see how well that works for kids. and no kid can buy a gun. A parent giving their kid a gun is not the kid owning a gun.
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Nobody has a right to speak whenever or wherever they want, but whenever and wherever adults may speak, so can minors. Nowhere in the Constitution does exclude minors 1st amendment rights.

And I didn’t say minors have right to purchase a firearm.
 
gulfman said:
When a pregnant woman is murdered why is the killer charged with two counts of murder?
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This only happens because SHE was murdered. The law is very specific. If the embryo/fetus is killed but she survives, there is no murder charge.
 
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