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Having a gun in house increases the risk of death inside that house.

I am not a gun abolitionist... but the idea that any slight inconvenience that is imposed that reduces gun deaths overall is an assault on Liberty is simply stupid.
 

Then you're admitting that gun control isn't the answer to suicide prevention.
 
Then you're admitting that gun control isn't the answer to suicide prevention.
When have I advocated "Gun Control"?

I have advocated mandatory training, licensure and registration.
 
Having a gun in house increases the risk of death inside that house.

I am not a gun abolitionist... but the idea that any slight inconvenience that is imposed that reduces gun deaths overall is an assault on Liberty is simply stupid.
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Insignificantly, if at all.
 
I will take note that there is no evidence that will be accepted.
There is no evidence you can provide that supports the claims you made, because you are factually incorrect. You proved yourself wrong in your first chart regarding firearm deaths. The claim "firearms are the leading cause of death in children" is factually incorrect because the dataset you use to make that statement excludes some children (those under 1) and includes adults as children (18 and 19 year olds).

Sorry.
 
When have I advocated "Gun Control"?

I have advocated mandatory training, licensure and registration.
You don't consider those a part of gun control? Strange so many anti gun extremists advocate those measures as part of "common sense gun control".

How will those affect deliberate homicides?
 
dude. you literally came into this thread talking about knives. why not bathtubs??
 
Having a gun in house increases the risk of death inside that house.
no it doesn't
I am not a gun abolitionist... but the idea that any slight inconvenience that is imposed that reduces gun deaths overall is an assault on Liberty is simply stupid.
When those inconveniences are unconstitutional, unenforceable and completely ineffective, whats the point?
 
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Insignificantly, if at all.
It has been studied for quite a while. Having a gun in the house increases the risk of gun deaths both suicide and homicide.... mostly domestic violence.

People are free to own guns. It is your right to.

But the risks are there.
 
dude. you literally came into this thread talking about knives. why not bathtubs??

You literally bemoaned that some posters would come in and "change the conversation", then said nothing as anti-gun extremists announced their political agenda.

Or was that the conversation you wished to have?
 
It has been studied for quite a while. Having a gun in the house increases the risk of gun deaths both suicide and homicide.... mostly domestic violence.

People are free to own guns. It is your right to.

But the risks are there.
You can not show a causal link at all. At best, you have a very loose correlation.
 
So there you have it if the scoop on this person is correct.
Mental..
Hey Dad, your son was down and out for 2 1/2 years and you just keep taking his word that "he's OK.." He's not, or he would be back to work and not sitting playing games.
If he's "evil and mean" then somethings gonna happen at some point, be it to himself, others, or in this case both.

Quit saying "talk to daddy(he's a grown man)" and get him help whether he likes it or not. There are ways to make it happen.
But no..

At least the father didn't say "I never saw it coming" like have heard before.

So it appears he was in pain and wanted out, but wanted his pain to be felt by others whom caused him none of his grief before ending himself. And just happened to use a firearm to do so.
 
mass shooting

arguing

nothing changes

mass shooting
 
You don't consider those a part of gun control? Strange so many anti gun extremists advocate those measures as part of "common sense gun control".

How will those affect deliberate homicides?
It could affect homicides in domestic disputes... but for random or criminal violence likely not at all.

For curbing guns getting into the hand of criminals I think it will take making the gun maufacturers take responsibility for selling their wares into a market where they end up in the hands of criminals.... but that is never going to happen.

But that wasn't the point I was making now was it?
 
no it doesn't

When those inconveniences are unconstitutional, unenforceable and completely ineffective, whats the point?
You see what I mean?

When any minor incovenience is seen as an assault on Liberty I just can't take that person seriously.
 
It has been studied for quite a while. Having a gun in the house increases the risk of gun deaths both suicide and homicide.... mostly domestic violence.

People are free to own guns. It is your right to.

But the risks are there.

Not true, and I don't care what some amalgamation of data purporting to represent probabilities indicates. Unless you believe every household has the exact same chance of of suicide or homicide, your premise is fallacious.
 
Japan laughs at us.

Or maybe they shake their heads or are thankful their kids aren't here.
 
so how many huge 2A people do you think had loved ones gunned down and changed their minds?

zero? some?
 
You see what I mean?
that you constantly make factually incorrect statements? Yes, I've pointed that out already.
When any minor incovenience is seen as an assault on Liberty I just can't take that person seriously.
why should I suffer any sort of inconvenience, when that inconvenience is unconstitutional, unenforceable and completely ineffective? That is a serious question. Why do you think I should accept that?
 

A homicide is not criminal violence if it happens in the course of a domestic dispute? I disagree.

Nevertheless, how will training, licensing, and registration affect those homicides?
 
Not true, and I don't care what some amalgamation of data purporting to represent probabilities indicates. Unless you believe every household has the exact same chance of of suicide or homicide, your premise is fallacious.
How would you even calculate that? Seriously... .if we can't rely on studies and statistical analysis then I guess we can't rely on anything.

And don't worry... no one is going to take away guns. Nothing is going to change. People are going to continue to meet violent ends for no reason and we will continue to be the only Developed nation on the planet with this as a daily reality.
 
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