• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Shootings reported at Florida nightclub

Apocalypse

DEATH TO ANTARCTICA!!!
DP Veteran
Joined
May 14, 2009
Messages
20,675
Reaction score
6,471
Location
Israel
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Centrist
Florida nightclub shooting: Two dead and 16 injured in Fort Myers

Two people have been killed and up to 16 more injured after a shooting at a nightclub in the Florida city of Fort Myers, police say.

Officers are at the nightclub, which was reportedly hosting a party for teenagers. Victims have not been identified.

Police have detained one person of interest in connection with the shooting.

The attack happened around 00:30 (04:30 GMT) on Monday morning at Club Blu.

Local broadcaster WINK says that witnesses at the scene described the club as a "mad house". All injured victims are reportedly in hospital.

Florida nightclub shooting: Two dead and 16 injured in Fort Myers - BBC News
 

Gill

DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 5, 2005
Messages
8,713
Reaction score
1,907
Location
The Derby City
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Conservative
I just heard one of the victims is 12 years old. What the hell was a 12 year old doing at a club at 12:30 in the morning. I know it was a teen night at the club, but some of these parents should be prosecuted for child abuse.
 

shagg

Wading Through Bull****
DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 28, 2013
Messages
1,681
Reaction score
1,219
Location
Rhode Island
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
I just heard one of the victims is 12 years old. What the hell was a 12 year old doing at a club at 12:30 in the morning. I know it was a teen night at the club, but some of these parents should be prosecuted for child abuse.

There are all sorts of overnight events that are friendly to that age group, some are run by the local schools or the YMCA.
 

minnie616

DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 4, 2012
Messages
25,707
Reaction score
29,744
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Independent
I just heard one of the victims is 12 years old. What the hell was a 12 year old doing at a club at 12:30 in the morning. I know it was a teen night at the club, but some of these parents should be prosecuted for child abuse.

From this article:
"We are deeply sorry for all involved," the club wrote on its Facebook page.
"We tried to give the teens WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS A SAFE PLACE TO HAVE A GOOD TIME. Ages 12-17. There was armed security as well as full security, inside and out.

"As the club was closing and parents were picking their children up ..... that's when all this took place," the statement continued. "There was nothing more we could of done az you see it was not kids at the party that did this despicable act."

At least 2 dead in Fort Myers club shooting following teen party - NY Daily News
 

rhinefire

DP Veteran
Joined
May 3, 2007
Messages
9,032
Reaction score
2,378
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Conservative
How does a "parent" say "OK" to their 12 year old being out at 1AM? Maybe if the bars close at 2AM they planned on picking their kids up after if the kids would agree to stand on the street for an hour after their party ended and drive home with drink mommy and daddy.
 

minnie616

DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 4, 2012
Messages
25,707
Reaction score
29,744
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Independent
How does a "parent" say "OK" to their 12 year old being out at 1AM? Maybe if the bars close at 2AM they planned on picking their kids up after if the kids would agree to stand on the street for an hour after their party ended and drive home with drink mommy and daddy.

Apparently the club was closing for the night when the shooting happened about 12:30 AM .The parents were picking up their 12-17 year olds when the shooting occurred in the parking lot.

Please see my previous post with link on this thread.
 
Last edited:

rhinefire

DP Veteran
Joined
May 3, 2007
Messages
9,032
Reaction score
2,378
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Conservative
The news just said it is gang related and three are in custody. All shooters and victims are African American that explains why children were out at 1AM.
 

PeteEU

DP Veteran
Joined
Mar 11, 2006
Messages
38,082
Reaction score
13,627
Location
Denmark
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Centrist
The news just said it is gang related and three are in custody. All shooters and victims are African American that explains why children were out at 1AM.

Did not take long for someone to bring race into this..

I bet you that there are White and Asian children out at 1 AM all over the US...
 

KLATTU

DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 2, 2013
Messages
17,067
Reaction score
5,940
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Conservative
The news just said it is gang related and three are in custody. All shooters and victims are African American that explains why children were out at 1AM.

HEY! Keep race out out it unless it's white people. Democrats NEED that 90% bloc!
 

Paperview

DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 6, 2013
Messages
10,341
Reaction score
5,075
Location
The Road Less Travelled
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
How does a "parent" say "OK" to their 12 year old being out at 1AM? Maybe if the bars close at 2AM they planned on picking their kids up after if the kids would agree to stand on the street for an hour after their party ended and drive home with drink mommy and daddy.

It was mostly a teenage party.

"Victims, ages 12 to 27, began arriving at Lee Memorial Hospital around 1:30 a.m., according to Cheryl Garn, a hospital spokeswoman.

“Sixteen people were treated in the trauma center and emergency department,” she said in a statement. “One victim expired at the hospital.”
Four remained at the hospital, one in critical condition, while the others were treated and released. Two additional patients were treated and released from other hospitals, officials said."



A flier promoting the party:


CoMobO1WgAAegpG.jpg


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/26/us/fort-myers-club-blu-shooting.html?_r=0
 

gdgyva

DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 23, 2014
Messages
12,350
Reaction score
6,440
Location
Near Atlanta Georgia
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Conservative
first thing

no way in hell i would have let my 12, 13, 14 yr old daughter go to a party with that flyer

no id check? bathing suits? in a club? can i put my daughter in a more precocious situation?

who wants to bet that nothing nefarious happened in the club with minors?

they might not have been serving alcohol, but i bet drugs were present

just a REALLY REALLY bad idea unless i myself was chaperoning....

and even then, not sure.....

12-27 ages....yeah, nothing bad gonna happen there

:shock:
 

MACS-24

OPO extraordinaire
DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 27, 2013
Messages
3,665
Reaction score
1,329
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian
I just heard one of the victims is 12 years old. What the hell was a 12 year old doing at a club at 12:30 in the morning. I know it was a teen night at the club, but some of these parents should be prosecuted for child abuse.
Child abuse, really?
 

MACS-24

OPO extraordinaire
DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 27, 2013
Messages
3,665
Reaction score
1,329
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian
The news just said it is gang related and three are in custody. All shooters and victims are African American that explains why children were out at 1AM.

Holly ****, this post is disgusting.
 

Paperview

DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 6, 2013
Messages
10,341
Reaction score
5,075
Location
The Road Less Travelled
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
first thing

no way in hell i would have let my 12, 13, 14 yr old daughter go to a party with that flyer

no id check? bathing suits? in a club? can i put my daughter in a more precocious situation?

who wants to bet that nothing nefarious happened in the club with minors?

they might not have been serving alcohol, but i bet drugs were present

just a REALLY REALLY bad idea unless i myself was chaperoning....

and even then, not sure.....

12-27 ages....yeah, nothing bad gonna happen there

:shock:
Club Blu

1 hr ·

"We are deeply sorry for all involved. We tried to give the teens WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS A SAFE PLACE TO HAVE A GOOD TIME. Ages 12-17. There was armed security as well as full security,inside and out. As the club was closing and parents were picking their children up.....that's when all this took place. There was nothing more we could of done az you see it was not kids at the party that did this despicable act. Our condolences to all parties involved."
 

Erod

DP Veteran
Joined
Aug 28, 2008
Messages
15,483
Reaction score
8,227
Location
North Texas
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Conservative
Gawd awful parenting....

This explains so much about so many things.
 

Tim the plumber

DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 3, 2014
Messages
16,501
Reaction score
3,829
Location
Sheffield
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Other
I just heard one of the victims is 12 years old. What the hell was a 12 year old doing at a club at 12:30 in the morning. I know it was a teen night at the club, but some of these parents should be prosecuted for child abuse.

You should have a good kick in the happy sacks!!

Kids are supposed to have the occaisional party!
 

gdgyva

DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 23, 2014
Messages
12,350
Reaction score
6,440
Location
Near Atlanta Georgia
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Conservative
Club Blu

1 hr ·

"We are deeply sorry for all involved. We tried to give the teens WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS A SAFE PLACE TO HAVE A GOOD TIME. Ages 12-17. There was armed security as well as full security,inside and out. As the club was closing and parents were picking their children up.....that's when all this took place. There was nothing more we could of done az you see it was not kids at the party that did this despicable act. Our condolences to all parties involved."

so you are okay with your 12 yr old daughter going to a nightclub dressed in a bathing suit, mixing with 17 year high school seniors?

i must have missed that part in parenting 101

and i raised 3 kids who are all grown now
 

gdgyva

DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 23, 2014
Messages
12,350
Reaction score
6,440
Location
Near Atlanta Georgia
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Conservative
You should have a good kick in the happy sacks!!

Kids are supposed to have the occaisional party!

sure with other 12, 13, and maybe 14 yr olds

when you mix in high school kids, all bets are off

that is just plain STUPID
 

jimbo

DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 30, 2011
Messages
19,078
Reaction score
6,751
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Other
It was mostly a teenage party.

"Victims, ages 12 to 27, began arriving at Lee Memorial Hospital around 1:30 a.m., according to Cheryl Garn, a hospital spokeswoman.

“Sixteen people were treated in the trauma center and emergency department,” she said in a statement. “One victim expired at the hospital.”
Four remained at the hospital, one in critical condition, while the others were treated and released. Two additional patients were treated and released from other hospitals, officials said."



A flier promoting the party:


CoMobO1WgAAegpG.jpg


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/26/us/fort-myers-club-blu-shooting.html?_r=0

Nowhere on that flyer does it indicate it was a 12-17 party, nor that it was an exclusive teen party. One of the victims was 27.
 

jimbo

DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 30, 2011
Messages
19,078
Reaction score
6,751
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Other
There are all sorts of overnight events that are friendly to that age group, some are run by the local schools or the YMCA.

Apparently this was not an overnight but a party where the patrons were turned out on the street at 12:30.
 

MACS-24

OPO extraordinaire
DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 27, 2013
Messages
3,665
Reaction score
1,329
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian
Interesting that most of the focus is on the parents of victims and not the dirtbag gunman or men.
 

poweRob

USMC 1988-1996
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 18, 2011
Messages
74,975
Reaction score
44,430
Location
New Mexico
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Progressive
The news just said it is gang related and three are in custody. All shooters and victims are African American that explains why children were out at 1AM.

Their skin explains them being out at 1:00AM? Is that what you are saying?
 

poweRob

USMC 1988-1996
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 18, 2011
Messages
74,975
Reaction score
44,430
Location
New Mexico
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Progressive
I find it curious that when a story is about black kids that the usual suspects come in and start blaming black parents. Kind of like the kid that got away at the zoo into the gorilla cage. Blame the parents.
 

gdgyva

DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 23, 2014
Messages
12,350
Reaction score
6,440
Location
Near Atlanta Georgia
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Conservative
Interesting that most of the focus is on the parents of victims and not the dirtbag gunman or men.

scumbag shooters are everywhere it seems nowadays

as adults, i guess that is the 800 lb gorilla in the room that we now face

but i think that we as adults, and as parents, we can try to limit the exposure we put our kids in on a daily basis

we cant protect them 100% of the time....but there are certain precautions that one can take

send a 12yr old girl to that party to me was BAD parenting....period

i dont care how much of a hissy fit she would have thrown....

15 yrs old, and then with baited breath, on anything like that.....

so yeah, on this one, i am putting a LOT of the blame square on the parents
 
Top Bottom