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Shoot or don't shoot.

Inalisist said:
You taser them at that point, not shoot them.
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Tasers don't always seem to work from what I gather in the news. So many of these "not so nice people," are under the influence of something. So, when the taser fails to stop a bad person, how much time does the cop have until the bad person, kills him or her?
Maybe that doesn't matter to you.
 

So many people do not seem to realize the speed and violent intent of a criminal and how fast an officer can lose their life.
 

And from what I gather from talking to a couple of cops at my church, all the training in the world, doesn't make you a Bruce Lee or Chuck Norris and even martial arts people, carry weapons. There are many smaller officers, that can be easily overpowered by a brute. The incident in Ferguson, Mo. is a good example. The big Black kid was pummeling the officer while he was sitting in his vehicle, tried to take his gun at one point. The officer was well within his rights to shoot. The sad thing is that the BLM group is still lying about the incident.
 

There are such things as tasers. Just saying.
 

I've never heard of that. Tasers can give more than one shock, it isn't like they can only shock them once.
 

Yes, tasers can kill, but it is less likely than a gun. You can also use rubber bullets or shoot non-lethal if you don't trust your taser.
 
Inalisist said:
I've never heard of that. Tasers can give more than one shock, it isn't like they can only shock them once.
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They do not work on everyone and many in the news have pulled the needles right out of their bodies.
 
Inalisist said:
I've never heard of that. Tasers can give more than one shock, it isn't like they can only shock them once.
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tasers are unreliable and are designed for use in non-lethal confrontations. If someone has a weapon they can easily kill you with-a taser is the wrong response
 

Actually it doesn't happen all the time. That is the problem. As an MP I only pulled my weapon a few times and that was only to make sure it was ready to fire. That was 3 years without ever pointing my 45 at anyone. But any time I could have needed it to save my life or someone else's. The problem is one second it is a routine situation with no need for a gun and the next second your life may or may not be in jeopardy. If you don't react and shoot the person you are dead and if you do shoot there is always the possibility that you didn't really need to. If only we had days to analyze the situation and determine the correct response rather than a second or less.
 
TurtleDude said:
tasers are unreliable and are designed for use in non-lethal confrontations. If someone has a weapon they can easily kill you with-a taser is the wrong response
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Tasers can be rendered useless by a heavy winter coat or layers of clothing.
 

I was watching a program one night and the moderator was interviewing a cop. The cop said that an assailant who is within 7 yards of you or less, can be on you, with a club or knife, before you can draw your gun out of the holster. He said an officer should have his gun out and have it down alongside his leg at the ready, if he suspects trouble.
 

Exactly. In the military our holster had a flap and was securely snapped shut. You could never get to it in time once someone was within 10 feet of you. Most of us bought our own thumb break holsters. At that time your 45 had to be secured in the holster which the thumb break did. Most of us did not carry a round in the chamber. I know it sounds crazy but we had our reasons.

The good news was we were over staffed as compared to local police. Our policy was to always wait for back up unless there was immediate need to save a life. We also had the advantage of dealing with well disciplined soldiers who were used to following orders. The down side was we were dealing with well trained fighters which was the main reason for keeping your distance and waiting for back up. Any soldier refusing to follow an order you did not approach without back up. The use of deadly force would be justified if this person came towards you. I never had it happen to me. I have had soldiers be reluctant to lie down on the ground when ordered to do so. These were the times I pulled my 45 put a round in the chamber took the safety off and put is back in my holster with my hand still on it. I then informed the soldier he/she has been given a lawful order. I have never had a soldier not follow the order after this point. Thank God.

I am happy I pursed a different line of work. The job was not for me but I have a lot of respect for those who do it.
 
Inalisist said:
Yes, tasers can kill, but it is less likely than a gun. You can also use rubber bullets or shoot non-lethal if you don't trust your taser.
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I am sorry but you cannot play around with people who have no respect for our laws or the police we have to enforce them.
 

Any police officer that assumes that they will win a hand to hand struggle with the bad guy better retire immediately. I am 6'3" and 300lbs and I know that there are people out there that could take me down is a second and kill me with nothing more than an ink per or pencil. I have had military training, MP training, I have been through police survival training, I have had hostage negotiation training, I have spent a week training with the Oakland swat team, as well as personal training. One thing all this training teaches you is that a bean bag, pepper spray or Taser is not going to protect you from a very dangerous person.
 

The big problem is the lack of respect for authority and the law by so many people in this country. I have talked to too many police officers in our inner cities who have had their police cars stolen. I have seen police cars with dents in them from bricks or chunks of concrete thrown at them as they patrol these areas. This is being done by teenagers and children. Just look of the lack of respect for our immigration laws and the support of sanctuary cities that provide safe harbor and give people the impression they do not need to follow or respect our laws. Look at our jails that are over filled and anyone put in requires someone to be release. The ones coming out of our jails are much worse than when they went in. The entire system is designed to fail.
 

So very true. Sanctuary cities alone, and the leaders promoting that nonsense, are a dismal testimonial to the decay in America.
Having to deal with bums like these, is a tough job and this action is long overdue. Finally, we have an administration that does not ***** foot around.
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On that I agree.

I stopped being a reserve police officer/deputy because some of the officers I backed up were worse than the supposed criminals we dealt with. I watched officers escalate situations that resulted in violence and me in a fight. BECAUSE OF THE OFFICERS BULLYING AND FLAGRANT DISRESPECT for the public.

I brought it to the attention of the other officers. to the training officer..and to undersherrif and the sheriff.

Nothing was done. Because of the blue line.. and because of the fear of the police union, and of litigation.

Ultimately one of those deputies ended up in a lawsuit (actually the county was) over a police brutality charge and after settling the case. they let the officer go.

THERE is where the issue lies. Not with the public. It lies with the police officers and department administration and their absolute refusal to monitor, train and continual assess police performance and professionalism.
 

All at the cost to the taxpayers.
 
I have no problems with officers using force when someone is non compliant in a threatening way. Never have, never will. But let's not pretend that some of the shootings that has people up in arms are above aboard "I felt I was in danger situations."

Warning this video shows an unarmed man being shot in the back while fleeing.

And another showing the reason why people are wary of being compliant.

I understand that 99.9 % of law enforcement are honorable, and wish harm to no one. And that life and death decisions are made in a very short time. But let's not kid ourselves, People aren't pissed because suicide by cop has suddenly become trendy.

People are scared by the police, they feel they have the right to defend themselves. Hell, they even believe it's constitutionally protected right. Which leads to more incidents. I can literally, and I'm using the Webster's definition of literally, show you dozens more videos of compliant people being beaten and shot. With little or no consequences for the officers because, cops will cover up crimes for other cops. All I want is an end to the Blue Wall of Silence. For the 99% to hold that very small margin accountable. Hell the first video, You can see the one officer watching as the shooting officer walks and picks up the taser and places it by the victims body. That is what needs to end.

The .1 percent of officers who feel they can take retribution, and give the scum what's coming to them need to see there are consequences. They can't just beat a man, or shoot a fleeing man in the back because they "had to run after him". Officers act out in retribution are betraying their fellow officers and the public. They shouldn't be protected.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
I know this would be an impossible task but after watching this video I'd like to see everyone go through this type of thing at least once in their lives. Or at the very least the more vocal opponents of cops.

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Always shoot... worry about if you should have after.
 
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