Shays on Foley handling: At least no one died

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So the Democrats don't mind if one of their own leaves a woman to die in an overturned car in a water-filled ditch.....they just don't like it when someone brings it up?! :shock:

For me, what someone does outside of their job is their business. I can decide whether I want to judge them or not.

As shocking as Shays' point was, his point that Democrats tolerate crimes/misdeeds/violations within their own ranks yet seek to crucify members of the GOP for theirs was right on the money! I will give you that it was a crude, yet VERY effective way to nail that point home!

Both parties are guilty of this kind of behavior, but I don't know a lot of democrats who would stoop to this level and throw something in the face of someone else about something that happened close to 40 years ago. Some of us learn from our mistakes.

 

[jennyb]

republicans...you know whats funny, and most hypocritical? you wanted us dems to 'let it go' when king george was selected....we have tried..after all the man is trying....trying our patience....that said.. when in this new century will you guys find it in your logical brains and hearts. to let mary jo kopeckne rest in peace, and except ted kennedys long, and i am sure, arduous, living amends,for her life , his mistake and his past drinking..
and in the same vein..when will you get out of bill clintons sex life and realize what he is and always was..a honored and revered statesman..
when it comes to the constitution, and its being mashed to hell...this seems to be alright for you,,as long as it is bush and company who is doing the mashing..... but of course , lets have it your way, and thank God no one died...and only young men were sexually abused by mr foley..and dennis hastart knew...yes we can be thankful of this..thankful that he has ruined several lives, and not one has died YET, in an unfortunate accident......
yes please by all means go to sleep happily knowing it was only sex abuse on children of his same sex probably ****ing them up royaly..... sleep well republicans:roll:

 

[doughgirl]

Aps said, “For me, what someone does outside of their job is their business. I can decide whether I want to judge them or not.”

Kennedy broke the law to save his arse and everyone knows it. That does have a lot to do with it. And it says a lot about Teddys morals and his character….. But people were paid off and Teddy to this day is worshipped by the Democrats purely because of his name. If your a kennedy you can do anything and get away with it. Oops I forgot Michael Skakel, he finally had to pay but got away with it for most his life.


What does that tell ya?

In fact while we are on the Kennedys…….look at that families pattern of illegal activities and trials over sexual acts.

No Republican family can top that one and if they can who are they? :rofl

There are a lot of wonderful, honorable, ethical, moral Democrats around this country, TEddy is NOT one of them.

Aps did Foley send all those emails from work? I really dont know. Are you saying that if he sent them from home….its not our business?

“Both parties are guilty of this kind of behavior, but I don't know a lot of democrats who would stoop to this level and throw something in the face of someone else about something that happened close to 40 years ago. Some of us learn from our mistakes.’

I agree both parties are guilty. But the Democrats seem to sweep theirs under the rug and justify questionable behavior. They however don’t give Republicans a “pass’ for the same things that they have done.

Jennyb said “to let mary jo kopeckne rest in peace, and except ted kennedys long, and i am sure, arduous, living amends, for her life , his mistake and his past drinking..”

Oh lets feel sorry for Teddy now. His poor life? He’s wealthy, he has an entire party who excuse his behaviors and worships him no matter what he says and does…….yea right, poor Teddy.

“when will you get out of bill clintons sex life and realize what he is and always was..a honored and revered statesman”

Well thats the Democrats take on it for sure……What is your definition of “honored and revered” ?

Must be vastly different from mine.


You tell me what Clinton will always be remembered for Jennyb? Like it or not you know what it is.
Oh and that he pardoned on his last day in office 10 Puetro Rican terrorists that committed acts against the United States. Did it to get Hillary the PR vote for Hillary in New York and it worked.

For that he should be honored and revered? :rofl

 

[rathi]

Ted Kennedy acted in a manner that certainly was not responsible and probably even criminal. However, shays comment is nothing more than a desperate attempt to shift blame. Can anyone remember the last time a politicians actually accepted they had did something wrong? And don't count the half-assed "well i did blank, BUT...."

 

[aps]

Kennedy broke the law to save his arse and everyone knows it. That does have a lot to do with it. And it says a lot about Teddys morals and his character….. But people were paid off and Teddy to this day is worshipped by the Democrats purely because of his name. If your a kennedy you can do anything and get away with it. Oops I forgot Michael Skakel, he finally had to pay but got away with it for most his life.

First of all, I like Kennedy because of what he stands for. When he speaks, it is rare that I disagree with him politically. I find him to be articulate and intelligent. I believe that's why his fellow dems like him so much. He speaks his mind, and he isn't afraid what kind of repercussions that brings.

You're saying he broke the law to save his a$$? You are saying he intentionally drove off a bridge and killed that woman? That's a serious accusation. "[E]veryone knows it"? I certainly have never heard that kind of position before. He was negligent, but I can't imagine that such intentional. Your statement does not make sense.

When you don't like someone, it's very easy to judge them. So your hate for Kennedy is clearly based on your dislike for the guy. So judge him all you want. What I find rather odd is that you would assume his character had not changed in 37 years. You have got to be kidding me. I have changed based on my past experiences. You're unrealistic, and your hatred blinds you.

What does that tell ya?

In fact while we are on the Kennedys…….look at that families pattern of illegal activities and trials over sexual acts.

No Republican family can top that one and if they can who are they? :rofl

There are a lot of wonderful, honorable, ethical, moral Democrats around this country, TEddy is NOT one of them.

Yes, yes, doughgirl, we know you hate him. And you consider yourself a Christian? LOL

Aps did Foley send all those emails from work? I really dont know. Are you saying that if he sent them from home….its not our business?

This was a work situation. He didn't meet the pages at a bar, or do you have evidence of such? He met them in the Congress and then pursued them.

I agree both parties are guilty. But the Democrats seem to sweep theirs under the rug and justify questionable behavior. They however don’t give Republicans a “pass’ for the same things that they have done.

Oh yeah, the democrats are sooooooooooo much worse than the republicans. Frankly, I see them as far more forgiving than the republicans, which is a very positive trait. No wonder you believe that the dems are worse. You hold a grudge, and you seem to think that people cannot learn from their mistakes. What kind of world do you live in? You must be terribly unhappy.

Oh lets feel sorry for Teddy now. His poor life? He’s wealthy, he has an entire party who excuse his behaviors and worships him no matter what he says and does…….yea right, poor Teddy.

How immature. Grow up. And go to confession.

Well thats the Democrats take on it for sure……What is your definition of “honored and revered” ?

Must be vastly different from mine.

My opinion of you is changed. I am utterly disappointed. Your lack of maturity is amazing. I am sitting here in shock that you consider yourself so righteous.

 

[doughgirl]

rathi said, "Ted Kennedy acted in a manner that certainly was not responsible and probably even criminal. However, shays comment is nothing more than a desperate attempt to shift blame. Can anyone remember the last time a politicians actually accepted they had did something wrong? And don't count the half-assed "well i did blank, BUT...."

Youre so right. Foley blames everyone from his childhood to present for his wrongdoings. He isnt taking accountability and is hiding in some lavish rehab place.

Politicians feel they are on a different playing field than the rest of us.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

That's it. I can't figure out who is worse....Kennedy, Stubbs, Frank or Foley. I'm calling Gary Condit. He'll know.

 

[Deegan]

I really don't know what's worse, the Senators crime, the fact that he was given a free pass, or that he has done nothing but say one thing, and do another for over 40 years. If you listen to the man who is challenging him for his seat, you will see just how ineffective this man has been for many, many years, it's about time someone let this hypocrite have it!

 

[RightinNYC]

Frankly, I think raising a situation that occurred decades ago, as stated by Kennedy's office, shows how desperate Shays is. It is so unbelievably immature that I am embarrassed for Shays. What an a$$wipe.

You know what, aps, you're right.

It's completely inappropriate for people to bring up Kennedy's actions, because they happened decades ago. It's far in the past, no reason to bring it up now. After all, it's not like a Kennedy would do something that was illegal nowadays.

 

[aps]

You know what, aps, you're right.

It's completely inappropriate for people to bring up Kennedy's actions, because they happened decades ago. It's far in the past, no reason to bring it up now. After all, it's not like a Kennedy would do something that was illegal nowadays.

How obnoxious. You're going to lump all Kennedy's together? You slammed KidRocks in the thread he posted regarding that past republican candidate, and then you post this? You must be proud.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Originally Posted by aps
Frankly, I think raising a situation that occurred decades ago, as stated by Kennedy's office, shows how desperate Shays is. It is so unbelievably immature that I am embarrassed for Shays. What an a$$wipe.

Then what's the time frame where we can stop bringing up a Senate candidates past? And what subjects are off limits? I mean you people didn't seem to have a problem with it when it was GWB's war record, **** the left didn't just bring up the fact that he didn't serve in Vietnam they forged documents to make it look like he went AWOL, and what about George Allen someone tracked down someone he went to college with and stated that he remembered him saying the word "niger."

 

[aps]

Then what's the time frame where we can stop bringing up a Senate candidates past? And what subjects are off limits? I mean you people didn't seem to have a problem with it when it was GWB's war record, **** the left didn't just bring up the fact that he didn't serve in Vietnam they forged documents to make it look like he went AWOL, and what about George Allen someone tracked down someone he went to college with and stated that he remembered him saying the word "niger."

I think it depends. First of all, it was not a democrat in Congress who forged Bush's documents. Let's get that straight. Second, GWB's record regarding Vietnam was relevant when he was promoting the war in Iraq and, to some extent, running for president. It goes towards HIS character. There he was attacking John Kerry's service, and thus his service was up for discussion. For George Allen, this behavior of his has continued throughout the years--thus, it is relevant. It would be one thing if his "racist" attitude had not shown its ugly head since the "niger" story. But he had a Confederate Flag in his law office and a noose. And then he calls a dark-skinned person "Macaca" during his current campaign. That shows a possible pattern of racism.

Bringing up Studds regarding the Foley incident has some relevance, as there are resembling facts. I don't see the relevance in bringing up Ted Kennedy's situation. It would be one thing if Ted Kennedy was (1) speaker of the House or (2) minority leader. But he is neither, and what happened way back when had no relevance to the Foley issue. Kennedy hasn't done anything similar to that which occurred way back when.

It was a cheap shot, and I hope Shays loses his seat. He is an a$$hole.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I think it depends. First of all, it was not a democrat in Congress who forged Bush's documents. Let's get that straight. Second, GWB's record regarding Vietnam was relevant when he was promoting the war in Iraq and, to some extent, running for president. It goes towards HIS character. There he was attacking John Kerry's service,

Not true GWB never discredited Kerry's service that was done by 527's not connected to the Bush administration.

and thus his service was up for discussion. For George Allen, this behavior of his has continued throughout the years--thus, it is relevant.

Bullshit "Makaka," you have to be ****ing kidding me. This is a smear campaign plane and simple.

It would be one thing if his "racist" attitude had not shown its ugly head since the "niger" story. But he had a Confederate Flag in his law office and a noose.

It was a lasso not a noose he had western memorablia in his office as for the Confederate flag it's ****ing Virginia you know the capital of the confederacy I'm surprised it's not the state flag.

This is nothing more than another in along line of Democrat race card smear campaigns.

Furthermore; the darling of the Democratic party Robert Byrd a former Klans member no less was quoted on national t.v. as saying: "white niger," in 2001 and was still rated by the NAACP with a 100% for the 108th congressional score card. Not to mention Hillary's "ghandi works at a gas station," and "****ing jew bastard comments."

Bringing up Studds regarding the Foley incident has some relevance, as there are resembling facts. I don't see the relevance in bringing up Ted Kennedy's situation. It would be one thing if Ted Kennedy was (1) speaker of the House or (2) minority leader. But he is neither, and what happened way back when had no relevance to the Foley issue. Kennedy hasn't done anything similar to that which occurred way back when.

Ya and what has Hastert done?

It was a cheap shot, and I hope Shays loses his seat. He is an a$$hole.

So is insinuating that Hastert was protecting a child molester.

 

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Not true GWB never discredited Kerry's service that was done by 527's not connected to the Bush administration.

And I am pretty darn sure that it wasn't John Kerry who was attacking Bush's service, except maybe he pointed out that Bush didn't go to Vietnam, which is a fact. That is a fact.

Bullshit "Makaka," you have to be ****ing kidding me. This is a smear campaign plane and simple.

You would have a lot more credibility if you could admit that Allen brought this on himself, and he has admitted it.

It was a lasso not a noose he had western memorablia in his office as for the Confederate flag it's ****ing Virginia you know the capital of the confederacy I'm surprised it's not the state flag.

Please provide me evidence that it was a lasso. LOL You're grasping.

This is nothing more than another in along line of Democrat race card smear campaigns.

Furthermore; the darling of the Democratic party Robert Byrd a former Klans member no less was quoted on national t.v. as saying: "white niger," in 2001 and was still rated by the NAACP with a 100% for the 108th congressional score card. Not to mention Hillary's "ghandi works at a gas station," and "****ing jew bastard comments."

I don't know about the 2001 comment. If it is true, that would show a pattern for Byrd.

Ya and what has Hastert done?

There are allegations that he looked the other way. Or have you not heard this?

So is insinuating that Hastert was protecting a child molester.

But there is evidence that he looked the other way. Are you going to pretend that there is NO evidence?

Trajan, get real. I'm not sure I am going to read your posts anymore. You can never make admissions about your own party that aren't positive. Booooooring. Don't bother responding to my post because I won't read it. So please ignore the question I asked about the lasso. I know it was a noose, and I don't care to read your take on it.

 

[tryreading]

I wonder how long it'll be before he's attacked as 'sad' or 'pathetic' or some other term like that because he stated the truth, ProudAmerican...

Shoot the messenger, not the message, right?

If the message is stupid, and the messenger is ridiculous, shoot him.

 

[tryreading]

yet that is what the Democrats are doing to Hassert - damning him for the actions of Foley - and calling for a backlash against ALL GOP for Foley's mis-deed!. The ones doing this, BTW, are the ones who did nothing to the member of their own party when he had SEX with a page!

And, BTW, when Republican Dan Crane had SEX with a 17 year old page he did not resign, his party did nothing but censure him at the same time they censured Gerry Studds, and he remained in office until defeated in a re-election bid a couple of years later.

I bet the democrats ARE upset that the GOP is reminding the public about how Kennedy was allowed to get away with 'murder' but are now calling for a witch-hunt of the entire GOP because of 1 man's perverted e-mails with a minor! I bet the Dems ARE upset that someone is pointing out the Democrat's continuous hypocritical behavior! Besides, another reason the Libs hate hearing this brought up is that people are reminded about how NOTHING was done to Teddy for this and are still shocked to this day! the longer this stays buried, the better for them! Only for Democrats, it seems, is there a Statute of Limitations for crimes/scandal/etc - another hypocritical point the Dems have!!

There are quite a few Republican office holders at the national level who, like the Democrats who did the same, stayed in office after committing crimes and unethical acts. You are being hypocritical by not mentioning any of them.

More hypocritical BS. Ok so YOU may actually feel this way, but the freakin' Democratic Party DID bring up Bush's drugs and DUIs in the Presidential elections! They/the media has even gone after his daughters! So pardon me is I say 'BS' to the high-and-mighty approach/attempt to take the moral high road, after doing the same things, by saying 'shame shame' when they get a dose of their own medicine!

Bottom Line, a Republican finally got a belly full of good ol' Democratic Party hypocritical BS and pointed out the continuous pattern of 2-faced, double-standard hypocritical behavior and tolerance of criminals in their own ranks while demonizing and crucifying GOP-ers for the same things or less!

And nobody brought up Clinton's marijuana use?

And, like I said, the Republicans have continuously done the same, they've been two-faced hypocrites who tolerated criminals and scum in their ranks while crucifying DNP-ers for doing the same things.

 

[tryreading]

Unfortunately NOT to jail!

Just what the country needs, another 8 years of continuous scandal after scandal perpetrated by a pathelogical lying sexual predator who runs around abusing his power for his own interests while the Islamic Extremists who declared war on us and who he ignored while they stalked and killed Americans abroad without fear of repraisal stage a comeback stronger than ever because of his unwillingness to deal with now as much as he did then! Meanwhile, Clinton, faced with a nuclear armed NK, who he gave NK what they needed to make nukes in an attempt to convince them NOT to make nukes, would offer NK long-range missile technolgy in an attempt to convince them NOT to develop missiles capable of striking the United States!:shock: :roll:

Oh, the good ol' days! :doh

Another example of misguided foreign policy is our support of Iraq in its attempt to take Iran over in the 1980's, under Ronald Reagan's leadership. We backed Iraq during that war, supplied them intelligence, weapons, money, and food. We did this knowing that Hussein had used chemical weapons on the Kurds, and was using them on the Iranians constantly during the war.

We also had Iraq removed from our list of terrorist nations, and tried to persuade other nations not to condemn Iraq in a United Nations vote regarding Iraq's regular use of chemical weapons to kill people. We did publicly object to their use of cw's, to keep up appearances, but did nothing to dissuade them from continuing to use cw's.

Somebody on another thread, to excuse our backing of Iraq during the war, said we wanted Iraq to win the war to keep the region stable. So I guess he thought that makes it okay for us to support Iraq's use of chemical weapons in the 1980's, but not later, when we finally objected to them. We actually allied with Iraq and helped the country in many ways while it was using the illegal weaponry, something we were well aware of.

Anyway, we helped create a monster in Iraq. Then, when our need for him ended, we behaved as if his use of tactics against the Geneva Conventions were an outrage. Kind of hypocritical.

 

[RightinNYC]

How obnoxious. You're going to lump all Kennedy's together? You slammed KidRocks in the thread he posted regarding that past republican candidate, and then you post this? You must be proud.

Eh, I was joking, but w/e.