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Sexting laws. Corrupt?

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Imagine this: Right now, somewhere, maybe very close to you're home, there is a kid sitting there sending a nude photo of themselves threw text. They are, on their own, sending it out. Now, fast-forward acouple weeks. They are sitting in a police station being charged with distrubution of child pornogrophy of their own body.
I can relate this to consent for sex. If the girl doesn't give consent, its considered rape. Didn't the kid who sent their own picture out give "consent" to the sending? These new sexting laws have been quote "Not considered when the laws came out in the 90's." Some call the sexting laws "life ruiners." and others call them "an example maker"
Your thoughts on the law? Should a consented picture ruin you're life?
 

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They're ridiculous laws, the only problem I see is if the kid was sending the pics to someone they couldn't legally have sex with, e.g. A 12 year old sending pics to a 24 year old.
 

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So, mold the laws. If a 12 year old, persay, with consent, sends a picture of themselfto another 12 year old, no one should get in trouble, unless one of them sends a picture of the other without consent of the other. <--- in easier words kid A sends a picture to kid B. Kid B then without consent from kid A, sends that picture to kid C. Kid B should get in trouble.
 

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Imagine this: Right now, somewhere, maybe very close to you're home, there is a kid sitting there sending a nude photo of themselves threw text. They are, on their own, sending it out. Now, fast-forward acouple weeks. They are sitting in a police station being charged with distrubution of child pornogrophy of their own body.
I can relate this to consent for sex. If the girl doesn't give consent, its considered rape. Didn't the kid who sent their own picture out give "consent" to the sending? These new sexting laws have been quote "Not considered when the laws came out in the 90's." Some call the sexting laws "life ruiners." and others call them "an example maker"
Your thoughts on the law? Should a consented picture ruin you're life?

How is this in any way a discussion on the Constitution?
 

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Child pornography laws are meant to protect children from exploitation. Using the laws to punish the children they are supposed to protect is morally backwards. If they are not considered legally responsible enough to consent to those pictures being taken and distributed, then they are certainly not responsible enough to face criminal charges for it.

This is the worst kind of inconsistent law enforcement.
 

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Minors can't consent.
 

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In your OP your situation presents: a minor distributing porn (of self) to others.
The issue isn't that they took pictures of their self - it's that they then distributed those pictures of self to others.

Kids don't need in-room and private access to texting and net service, anyway.

Without that this entire thing wouldn't be an issue.
 

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In your OP your situation presents: a minor distributing porn (of self) to others.
The issue isn't that they took pictures of their self - it's that they then distributed those pictures of self to others.

Kids don't need in-room and private access to texting and net service, anyway.

Without that this entire thing wouldn't be an issue.
i see you're point. But did you know in most high schools, like my sons, the officers and office workers of the school will check pictures on phones that have been confiscated, and if they find naked pictures, of the kid who owns the phone even, or of a different person, the phone owner is now going to be charged with child pornography.
 
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All the more reason not to send your children to the welfare schools in the first place. You can't protect them from the law, but you can at least protect them from self-important bureaucrats.
 

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All the more reason not to send your children to the welfare schools in the first place. You can't protect them from the law, but you can at least protect them from self-important bureaucrats.

we are leaving the topic here. Do you think this law needs to be changed? Or keep it the same?
 

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we are leaving the topic here. Do you think this law needs to be changed? Or keep it the same?

The law at the heart of the problem is the practice of trying juveniles as adults in the first place. If they're mature enough to face adult criminal consequences, they should be recognized under the law as adults in the first place-- rendering any conviction for "child pornography" false.

Of course, the real answer is to publicly string up every corrupt prosecuting attorney and judge from these farce trials and horsewhip them to death as a lesson to anyone else that wants to make their political or legal career by ruining the lives of innocent young men and women. I'm tempted to include school officials who go snooping through "confiscated" phones for "evidence", as well.
 
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i see you're point. But did you know in most high schools, like my sons, the officers and office workers of the school will check pictures on phones that have been confiscated, and if they find naked pictures, of the kid who owns the phone even, or of a different person, the phone owner is now going to be charged with child pornography.

The phones shouldn't be there to begin with. There's no need at all for a student to ever have a cell phone at school - or a reason for having a phone that has photo and text options at all.

No text and photo access = no phone misuse.
No phone misuse = nothing to possibly get in trouble for.

I see this issue coming from parenting (possibly a lack of) and the actions of individuals - not coming from how the government is attempting to deal with it.

You know who will never get in trouble for distributing photos of their naked selves?
My children - because I will never permit them to have free use of a phone or computer with said services.

I feel bad for the teens who have / will get in trouble for the bad judgment on behalf of their parents. . . and the punishment should be shared. Obviously parents don't consider the dangers that can come from such activity if they're so thoughtless as to think their teen is going to be responsible with such privacy and a means to do things of that nature.
 
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I see this issue coming from parenting (possibly a lack of) and the actions of individuals - not coming from how the government is attempting to deal with it.

You know who will never get in trouble for distributing photos of their naked selves?
My children - because I will never permit them to have free use of a phone or computer with said services.

I feel bad for the teens who have / will get in trouble for the bad judgment on behalf of their parents. . . and the punishment should be shared. .

okay man, first of all, I'm not a bad parent at all. Second, maybe in you're judgement, slaving our children is the best way to control them. I want them to be free, seeing as I fought for that during my collage years. My judgement in their communications are my own. And it kind of sounds like you think i'm an bad parent, or you think you're better then me in some how. this law on sexting is the most corrupt law we have today, no matter what parent.
 

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I generally have no problems with how others raise their kids and run their families and so on.
But when those decisions and values directly affect, interfere or alter how I'm trying to raise my children - I get concerned, involved, and opinionated.

Likewise so would you if my views that opposed yours somehow negatively affected your outlook for your children's lives - I would expect no less of any decent parent.

But it just seems like common sense to me:
If someone doesn't want their child getting in trouble for doing someone wrong then they shouldn't encourage, enable or permit the behavior.
Parent's should give them a 6-pack and the keys to the car if they don't want them to drink and drive.
Don't give them a cell phone and text-message access if they don't want them to abuse it.

If a parent doesn't encourage or enable - but it happens anyway - then the parent has done their best to prevent it, the responsibility has fallen on the teen.
 

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It's not the laws fault for what DA's do. Instead of going by the spirit of the law they are going strictly by the letter of the law. In otherwords they just want to make money so do everything that they can think of to get their "value" up.

Back before there were cell phones kids use to go into the woods or the hayloft or wait till thier parents were gone from the house and then show (or more) each other their bodies. I don't remember any of them getting arrested and sent to jail for it then. I sure don't see the problem with it now. Especially since it is well understood that it is in the teen years that people get more curious about sex and does whatever they can to see or experiance it.

The best thing that any parent could do is teach thier kids the dangers both to them physically and legally when they do that crap. After that base their decisions on how thier kids are. The rest of us just have to hope that the parent knows thier kid as well as he/she thinks that they do.
 

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Back before there were cell phones kids use to go into the woods or the hayloft or wait till thier parents were gone from the house and then show (or more) each other their bodies. I don't remember any of them getting arrested and sent to jail for it then. I sure don't see the problem with it now. Especially since it is well understood that it is in the teen years that people get more curious about sex and does whatever they can to see or experiance it.

key phrase here is "each other". Also "showing" is very significant here as well. They didn't go into the barn and take pictures of each other. Nor were they distributing them. That is a key difference.
 

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The point of democracy is to create a government that DOESN'T substitute for a farther/big brother. Sexting laws is invasive and unnecessary and its sending the wrong signals to our lawmakers. By embracing it we give the government a dangerous mandate to enforce there interpretation of "morals".

So, sexting laws is an utter and absolute NO. Laws to deal with failed parents, YES.

They are sitting in a police station being charged with distrubution of child pornogrophy of their own body.

Is that even possible?
 

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All the more reason not to send your children to the welfare schools in the first place. You can't protect them from the law, but you can at least protect them from self-important bureaucrats.

Kids who go to private schools or are home schooled are just as likely, I'm sure, to do sexting as kids who go to public school.
 

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The phones shouldn't be there to begin with. There's no need at all for a student to ever have a cell phone at school - or a reason for having a phone that has photo and text options at all.

Most children and teens get their cellphones from parents who want them to be able to contact them in case of an emergency. Which I think is actually pretty understandable.
 

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All the more reason not to send your children to the welfare schools in the first place. You can't protect them from the law, but you can at least protect them from self-important bureaucrats.

perfect remedy for not getting involved with THE LAW. just never set foot out of your house.
 

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Most children and teens get their cellphones from parents who want them to be able to contact them in case of an emergency. Which I think is actually pretty understandable.

Yeah, that's understandable - do they need the option of sending videos and images in order to communicate on this emergency level? Most certainly not.

I can opt to have text-only support and I can choose which numbers I can text and which ones I can't - if I was to extend my phone package to enable my kids to have their own phone I would strictly limit and monitor their usage. It is within my means to be *able* to do so.
 
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