Sex scandals are BS if sex is consentual.

[James D Hill]

Seriously. extramarital sex is one thing, but Weiner's antics are insane!

Not as bad as that mayor of SD. At least Weiner kept his hands off ladies behinds.

 

[Thrilla]

No because that would screw up the children. For them to see nudity or sex in a movie can't be any woprse that watching some action hero blast away 30 bad guys. The reason a married man would lie is to protect him family from the self righteous freaks who would blow it out of proportion and feed your enemies with something that should be a private matter. does that answer your queston? Getting your wick wet is a private matter.

interesting, you are telling us we shouldn't hide sex from our kids, but you hide sex from your kids.... that kinda spells hypocrite to me.

a man lies about ****ing another woman because he fears self righteous freaks?... what world do you live in?..... he lies because he knows he ****ed up.. not because of some irrational , nonsensical concocted fear of self righteous people.......


what this all boils down to is you loving Democrat pieces of **** while hating Republican pieces of ****... and trying to come up with some sort of rationalization as to why you would actually love any piece of ****.

 

[nota bene]

Not to mention the public resources they use [illegally] to hide and manage their affairs. Clinton used the Arkansas State Troopers to arrange and transport his girls and used his position a POTUS to conduct sexual antics in the White House. Remember she worked there, as an intern. But this wasn't the first time he used his position to gain sexual favors. Then the lies and coverups follow, and as has been true since politics was born, the the deeds taken to cover up the lies and the infidelity are what sinks them.

Clinton was a serial offender. He was unfaithful, got caught, lied, covered it up and went right on back to the same old behavior. And you expected this cheating asshat to be a trustworthy POTUS? Of course you did - he's a democrat. Had he been a republican you'd list his name with all those others your playbook says you should revile.

This is precisely the one reason why I didn't vote for Clinton twice. Had nothing to do with his political party or views. If you can't be faithful to your partner, you're surely not going to be faithful to me. Lying, cheating, stealing--it's all of a piece.

 

[James D Hill]

interesting, you are telling us we shouldn't hide sex from our kids, but you hide sex from your kids.... that kinda spells hypocrite to me.

a man lies about ****ing another woman because he fears self righteous freaks?... what world do you live in?..... he lies because he knows he ****ed up.. not because of some irrational , nonsensical concocted fear of self righteous people.......


what this all boils down to is you loving Democrat pieces of **** while hating Republican pieces of ****... and trying to come up with some sort of rationalization as to why you would actually love any piece of ****.

Democrates do not preach family values my friend. They do not have that more moral than thou attitude. Barny Frank did not preach against gay right then engage in gay sex. Bill Clinton did not preach how sacred the institute of marriage is then run off to South America when he was supposed to be hiking. No liberal railed against porn like Jimmy Swaggard and get caught screwing a whore and having stacks of porn. Newt tried to get Clinton impeached while engaging in the same thing himself and while preaching family values. Ted Nugent says drug users are evil and spouts family values. Where was that so called morality when he got over 30 teen age girls preginant when he was a rock star and why did 4 wives leave him due to adultry? Oh by the old Ted had his chance to be the gun freak he is in the Army but he dodges the draft instead. What a patriot.

 

[James D Hill]

This is precisely the one reason why I didn't vote for Clinton twice. Had nothing to do with his political party or views. If you can't be faithful to your partner, you're surely not going to be faithful to me. Lying, cheating, stealing--it's all of a piece.

Did you trust JFK?

 

[wbcoleman]

Democrates do not preach family values my friend. They do not have that more moral than thou attitude. Barny Frank did not preach against gay right then engage in gay sex. Bill Clinton did not preach how sacred the institute of marriage is then run off to South America when he was supposed to be hiking. No liberal railed against porn like Jimmy Swaggard and get caught screwing a whore and having stacks of porn. Newt tried to get Clinton impeached while engaging in the same thing himself and while preaching family values. Ted Nugent says drug users are evil and spouts family values. Where was that so called morality when he got over 30 teen age girls preginant when he was a rock star and why did 4 wives leave him due to adultry? Oh by the old Ted had his chance to be the gun freak he is in the Army but he dodges the draft instead. What a patriot.

What would you do with Charlie Rangel?

 

[wbcoleman]

Did you trust JFK?

Hell, no!

 

[Thrilla]

Democrates do not preach family values my friend. They do not have that more moral than thou attitude. Barny Frank did not preach against gay right then engage in gay sex. Bill Clinton did not preach how sacred the institute of marriage is then run off to South America when he was supposed to be hiking. No liberal railed against porn like Jimmy Swaggard and get caught screwing a whore and having stacks of porn. Newt tried to get Clinton impeached while engaging in the same thing himself and while preaching family values. Ted Nugent says drug users are evil and spouts family values. Where was that so called morality when he got over 30 teen age girls preginant when he was a rock star and why did 4 wives leave him due to adultry? Oh by the old Ted had his chance to be the gun freak he is in the Army but he dodges the draft instead. What a patriot.

as I suspected, you use party affiliation as your moral guide.
(it's good when a Democrat does it, bad when Republican does it.)


good luck with that sort of idiocy.

 

[James D Hill]

as I suspected, you use party affiliation as your moral guide.
(it's good when a Democrat does it, bad when Republican does it.)


good luck with that sort of idiocy.

Conservatives are moral hypocrites. Dem's are not and thats the bottom line my friend. That is why lib's can get away with it and conservatives can not.

 

[James D Hill]

Hell, no!

Then you are not that bright then. JFK was a great president and you know it just like Clinton.

 

[James D Hill]

What would you do with Charlie Rangel?

Nothing. He is a liberal.

 

[Thrilla]

Conservatives are moral hypocrites. Dem's are not and thats the bottom line my friend. That is why lib's can get away with it and conservatives can not.

well, you go on supporting one sides sin while opposing the other.. it's not like it illegal to be unprincipled or inconsistent.

 

[Thrilla]

Then you are not that bright then. JFK was a great president and you know it just like Clinton.

both had very flawed characters ... they are perfect examples of untrustworthy individuals.

 

[James D Hill]

both had very flawed characters ... they are perfect examples of untrustworthy individuals.

Character does not mean smart. Some of the dumbest people I have ever met are the most moral. We are not electing a Pope here but someone who can do the freaking job. Screw morality. Morality is a matter of opinion. In my opinion the only immoralty that is bad is the kind that hurts others like stealing,murder,rape or molestation. You are a libertarian. I though libertarians did not care about grey area morality. I guess you are just another moralistic conservative.

 

[paddymcdougall]

Conservatives are moral hypocrites. Dem's are not and thats the bottom line my friend. That is why lib's can get away with it and conservatives can not.

Actually, Sanford got away with it....

 

[Thrilla]

Character does not mean smart. Some of the dumbest people I have ever met are the most moral. We are not electing a Pope here but someone who can do the freaking job. Screw morality. Morality is a matter of opinion. In my opinion the only immoralty that is bad is the kind that hurts others like stealing,murder,rape or molestation. You are a libertarian. I though libertarians did not care about grey area morality. I guess you are just another moralistic conservative.

nobody said character = smart.. not sure what orifice you pulled that from.

yes, we are not electing a pope... that very observant.

more hypocrisy from the stoner socialist " screw morality", he says.. then goes on to list a few things he thinks are bad...derp derp

listen dude, a few of the things you support are widely condemned as immoral... you can whine bitch and bicker all you want, but you are in a tiny fringe minority .. a couple of them in fact.
most folks don't believe morals are based on political affiliation, only stupid people believe that... I mean, really really stupid people.
most folks believe that lying , betrayal, disloyalty, dishonesty, etc are immoral.... you stand among only a few that believe those are fine and dandy traits...

you'd get along fine in prison, but society pretty much shuns your type of sociopath.


yes, i'm a moral person, and a Libertarian... now explain how those 2 are not compatible.

 

[James D Hill]

nobody said character = smart.. not sure what orifice you pulled that from.

yes, we are not electing a pope... that very observant.

more hypocrisy from the stoner socialist " screw morality", he says.. then goes on to list a few things he thinks are bad...derp derp

listen dude, a few of the things you support are widely condemned as immoral... you can whine bitch and bicker all you want, but you are in a tiny fringe minority .. a couple of them in fact.
most folks don't believe morals are based on political affiliation, only stupid people believe that... I mean, really really stupid people.
most folks believe that lying , betrayal, disloyalty, dishonesty, etc are immoral.... you stand among only a few that believe those are fine and dandy traits...

you'd get along fine in prison, but society pretty much shuns your type of sociopath.


yes, i'm a moral person, and a Libertarian... now explain how those 2 are not compatible.

Screw morality. Morality is a matter of opinion. I don't care what conservatives do with their penis's or vag's just don't preach false morality then do what you preach against. Be a libertarian not a stupid moralist.

 

[Thrilla]

Screw morality. Morality is a matter of opinion. I don't care what conservatives do with their penis's or vag's just don't preach false morality then do what you preach against. Be a libertarian not a stupid moralist.

yes.. we heard you say "screw morality" the first time.... repeating it is unnecessary.

now you are being dishonest in saying you don't care what conservative do.... you have told us in this very thread that you do , in fact, care what conservatives do... you have told us conservatives are the only ones you care about when it comes to their shenanigans.

you should not rail about hypocrisy when you, yourself, are a hypocrite... just saying.

why do you believe morality and libertarianism are not compatible?...

 

[James D Hill]

yes.. we heard you say "screw morality" the first time.... repeating it is unnecessary.

now you are being dishonest in saying you don't care what conservative do.... you have told us in this very thread that you do , in fact, care what conservatives do... you have told us conservatives are the only ones you care about when it comes to their shenanigans.

you should not rail about hypocrisy when you, yourself, are a hypocrite... just saying.

why do you believe morality and libertarianism are not compatible?...

It depends what your definition of morality is. Us liberals think it is immoral to cut unemployment benifits and foodstamps during a recession. We think it is immoral for some Jesus freak to get between a woman and her doctor on reproductive health. We think it is immoral to deport 12 million illegal's. We think it is immoral to preach so called family values when you don't practice it. We think it is immoral for drunks to tell pot smokers they can't work. We think it is immoral to say pot is illegal when booze and cigarettes are legal. We think it is immoral for Americans to freak out over sex when they kill each other more than all other countries put together. We think the lost war on drugs that fills our prisons to the point we rival China is immoral.i just think sexual immoralty is moral and fun.

 

[James D Hill]

nobody said character = smart.. not sure what orifice you pulled that from.

yes, we are not electing a pope... that very observant.

more hypocrisy from the stoner socialist " screw morality", he says.. then goes on to list a few things he thinks are bad...derp derp

listen dude, a few of the things you support are widely condemned as immoral... you can whine bitch and bicker all you want, but you are in a tiny fringe minority .. a couple of them in fact.
most folks don't believe morals are based on political affiliation, only stupid people believe that... I mean, really really stupid people.
most folks believe that lying , betrayal, disloyalty, dishonesty, etc are immoral.... you stand among only a few that believe those are fine and dandy traits...

you'd get along fine in prison, but society pretty much shuns your type of sociopath.


yes, i'm a moral person, and a Libertarian... now explain how those 2 are not compatible.

They are not. Don't libertarians believe in to each his own? Don't they believe in legalizing drugs?Don't they believe in people minding their own business and that includes the government and Jesus freaks? That is not moral by these right wing morons standards.

 

[iliveonramen]

Who care who has sex with who? If Wiener wants to show his junk all over the web who cares? If Bill Clinton has sex with a willing 21 year old who cares other than Hillary? The only time I care is if the sex is aganst someone elses will or if the politition is a family values conservatives who screams out against sin while engaging in it. I don't care if they join in on a Mongoliam cluster **** as long as they don't engage in hypocricy. It was funny many of those self righteous GOP guys who tried to fry Bill Clinton engaged in the same thing like good pld Newt the king of hypocrites.

I agree..I don't think infidelity is really indicative of anything. The % of extra marital affairs that take place is mind boggling.

Hypocrisy on the other hand...that's some I do find indicative of a person. I think anybody that tends to condemn someone for the same actions they perform range from a sever lack of introspection which I'd never want in someone making serious decisions...or at worse someone who doesn't generally really believe what they say they believe in.

 

[James D Hill]

I agree..I don't think infidelity is really indicative of anything. The % of extra marital affairs that take place is mind boggling.

Hypocrisy on the other hand...that's some I do find indicative of a person. I think anybody that tends to condemn someone for the same actions they perform range from a sever lack of introspection which I'd never want in someone making serious decisions...or at worse someone who doesn't generally really believe what they say they believe in.

Great point. I agree. We need to work together to attack these right wing morons.

 

[Thrilla]

It depends what your definition of morality is. Us liberals think it is immoral to cut unemployment benifits and foodstamps during a recession. We think it is immoral for some Jesus freak to get between a woman and her doctor on reproductive health. We think it is immoral to deport 12 million illegal's. We think it is immoral to preach so called family values when you don't practice it. We think it is immoral for drunks to tell pot smokers they can't work. We think it is immoral to say pot is illegal when booze and cigarettes are legal. We think it is immoral for Americans to freak out over sex when they kill each other more than all other countries put together. We think the lost war on drugs that fills our prisons to the point we rival China is immoral.i just think sexual immoralty is moral and fun.

interesting... now another list of tings you find immoral.... after repeatedly trying to say "screw morality".

what are trying to say, and failing, is that you don't want to adopt other peoples morality, primarily because your morals are a bit different( very different, actually)

the proboem i see with that argument is that you are in effect saying other people don't have a right to impose their morals onto you.. but you , dadgumit, will impose your morals on them with nary an afterthought

it's a hypocritical position.... and in your case, entirely dependent on party affiliation /ideology ( which is ignorant, in the extreme)

 

[Thrilla]

They are not. Don't libertarians believe in to each his own? Don't they believe in legalizing drugs?Don't they believe in people minding their own business and that includes the government and Jesus freaks? That is not moral by these right wing morons standards.

I can't speak for all Libertarians.. there are too many differing positions within this camp of ours.

I believe in to each their own, I believe in legalizing weed ( not "drugs" in general), I certainly believe in minding your own business ( government refuses to mind it's own business, as do you "liberals" ( you're a socialist, not a liberal..socialists are illiberal.))

I know many conservatives who share those beliefs with me.. and I know many a liberal who believes otherwise.

none of those beliefs preclude me from believing a lair/cheat is a bad person.. none of those beliefs will magically make me support dishonesty, disloyalty, or anything of the sort.

 

[wbcoleman]

Then you are not that bright then. JFK was a great president and you know it just like Clinton.

Wow, personal invective based solely on my failure to accept JFK as a great President. But that's liberalism!