Sex scandals are BS if sex is consentual.

[Goshin]

Maybe it's just the nature of power?

Probably, yes.


Something I've learned, while in leadership positions, is that you have to be very careful what you say when you're speaking "as the leader/boss/supe/etc". As much as I prefer to be completely honest, there are many times when the blunt truth would be counterproductive.

For instance... I come into the office, knowing my employees are going to have to bust ass all day to keep up with our current production quota and finish today's work today. I'm prepared to exhort them to extra efforts to accomplish this, reminding them that we will all benefit if we keep on schedule and don't fall behind. Then I check my email, and find out that TOMORROW we're getting another 50% extra work dumped on us, and we're GOING to fall behind no matter what we do tomorrow.

Really, this doesn't change the fact that we still need to get today's workload done TODAY... in fact it makes it even more urgent, so that tomorrow we don't end up even more behind. But if I TELL the employees this, they may well become disheartened, say "frack it, why bust ass when we're just going to be screwed anyway", and slack off.

So I don't lie.... but maybe I don't mention that I already know we're screwed tomorrow, and just stick with the "let's stay on sched!" speech as planned. :shrug: Keeping morale up as long as possible will actually help us get past the coming hump, whereas admitting we're screwed may well just make us MORE screwed...

So much depends on perceptions... a lot of the economy is essentially a matter of consumer and investor confidence, that it makes you wonder if a Prez could literally talk us into a boom or a bust...

 

[James D Hill]

If you're in a committed relationship, you might want to check with that person to see if they care if you have sex with others.
I'm sure parents care a great deal when their children have sex.
I'm sure Weiner's wife cares when his hot crotch is displayed for all the world to see, and I'm sure his son as he matures will care.

She is good looking for sure. I guess she could start an Iranian Cluster ****.

 

[Dapper Andy]

Who care who has sex with who? If Wiener wants to show his junk all over the web who cares? If Bill Clinton has sex with a willing 21 year old who cares other than Hillary? The only time I care is if the sex is aganst someone elses will or if the politition is a family values conservatives who screams out against sin while engaging in it. I don't care if they join in on a Mongoliam cluster **** as long as they don't engage in hypocricy. It was funny many of those self righteous GOP guys who tried to fry Bill Clinton engaged in the same thing like good pld Newt the king of hypocrites.

I don't typically care who has sex with who but in this case we're talking about people specifically entrusted to make decisions on our behalf. Committing adultery shows tremendously poor decision making skills. Just as importantly, the adultery is almost always followed by blatant lies about it. Both Pres. Clinton and Rep. Wiener blatantly lied to their constituents; the former did it under oath.

 

[James D Hill]

Probably, yes.


Something I've learned, while in leadership positions, is that you have to be very careful what you say when you're speaking "as the leader/boss/supe/etc". As much as I prefer to be completely honest, there are many times when the blunt truth would be counterproductive.

For instance... I come into the office, knowing my employees are going to have to bust ass all day to keep up with our current production quota and finish today's work today. I'm prepared to exhort them to extra efforts to accomplish this, reminding them that we will all benefit if we keep on schedule and don't fall behind. Then I check my email, and find out that TOMORROW we're getting another 50% extra work dumped on us, and we're GOING to fall behind no matter what we do tomorrow.

Really, this doesn't change the fact that we still need to get today's workload done TODAY... in fact it makes it even more urgent, so that tomorrow we don't end up even more behind. But if I TELL the employees this, they may well become disheartened, say "frack it, why bust ass when we're just going to be screwed anyway", and slack off.

So I don't lie.... but maybe I don't mention that I already know we're screwed tomorrow, and just stick with the "let's stay on sched!" speech as planned. :shrug: Keeping morale up as long as possible will actually help us get past the coming hump, whereas admitting we're screwed may well just make us MORE screwed...

So much depends on perceptions... a lot of the economy is essentially a matter of consumer and investor confidence, that it makes you wonder if a Prez could literally talk us into a boom or a bust...

Tight scedule's cost work quality.

 

[James D Hill]

I don't typically care who has sex with who but in this case we're talking about people specifically entrusted to make decisions on our behalf. More importantly, the adultery is almost always followed by blatant lies. Both Pres. Clinton and Rep. Wiener blatantly lied to their constituents; the former did it under oath.

That is because they should have never had to answer that question in the first place.

 

[lolabird]

That is why you might want to put on a condom or be on the pill before you engage in the Mongolian cluster ****.

Did you really say he pill?
What was it Rush Limbaugh said about the pill?

 

[Goshin]

Tight scedule's cost work quality.

Hell yes they do....AND bugger safety standards, AND stress everybody out, AND result in more absenteeism and turnover from burnout.... but try telling that to my corporate masters; they will not hear it.

 

[jaeger19]

That is because they should have never had to answer that question in the first place.

BS..talk about the hypocrisy of the left.

Clinton was asked about his inappropriate relationship with his intern... in the MIDST OF A SEXUAL HARASSMENT proceeding. CERTAINLY, his behavior in the workplace is fair game.

And under OATH he perjured himself.

so this gets to the heart of the question...

Do women have civil rights but only as long as its not a democratic president?

Should our justice system be impartial when it comes to perjury.. or is it okay when you are rich and powerful.. but not okay when you are poor?...

 

[James D Hill]

For one thing, Bill had an inappropriate relationship with an intern. It's not an ethical means of professional conduct. Being oblivious to that issue is not a good thing for you to begin with. Second of all, Americans are more concerned about sexual conduct. Now, despite whatever qualms you have with that, that is the social expectation for public figures. Too bad, so sad. Third, it impinged on his character. Americans in some areas, want their leaders to have what they consider "good character." Breaking marital vows is seen as a character detriment.

Now, again, I am much more concerned about political effectiveness than the affairs themselves. The scandals can impact a politician's ability to be an effective leader.

The president is not the pope. The president is not responsible for being a becon of morality. He/she is in there to do a job what they do with their pwnis/vaginia is their own business as long as no crime is commited.

 

[James D Hill]

BS..talk about the hypocrisy of the left.

Clinton was asked about his inappropriate relationship with his intern... in the MIDST OF A SEXUAL HARASSMENT proceeding. CERTAINLY, his behavior in the workplace is fair game.

And under OATH he perjured himself.

so this gets to the heart of the question...

Do women have civil rights but only as long as its not a democratic president?

Should our justice system be impartial when it comes to perjury.. or is it okay when you are rich and powerful.. but not okay when you are poor?...

I don't think it was inappropriate. The youg lady wanted sex and she got it. What a waiste of a good gigar. Stop already with this moralistic BS.

 

[James D Hill]

Hell yes they do....AND bugger safety standards, AND stress everybody out, AND result in more absenteeism and turnover from burnout.... but try telling that to my corporate masters; they will not hear it.

The only stress is caused by Americans being so anal about sex. I say if you can get it the more power to yuo.

 

[James D Hill]

If you're in a committed relationship, you might want to check with that person to see if they care if you have sex with others.
I'm sure parents care a great deal when their children have sex.
I'm sure Weiner's wife cares when his hot crotch is displayed for all the world to see, and I'm sure his son as he matures will care.

Why not. If she likes it so much then maybe she likes to share. Americans are way too anal about sex and thats a shame.

 

[Fiddytree]

The president is not the pope. The president is not responsible for being a becon of morality. He/she is in there to do a job what they do with their pwnis/vaginia is their own business as long as no crime is commited.

The President is the most important representative of the United States. Whoever assumes that office will be expected to live up to certain character traits. If their personal failings do not become a matter of public knowledge, then all Americans would be able to discuss would be their policies. When the knowledge does come out, they will likewise show their disfavor. Americans are well aware of how their President is perceived around the world. They would prefer it if the disagreements came from policy and not character failings.

 

[James D Hill]

The President is the most important representative of the United States. Whoever assumes that office will be expected to live up to certain character traits. If their personal failings do not become a matter of public knowledge, then all Americans would be able to discuss would be their policies. When the knowledge does come out, they will likewise show their disfavor. Americans are well aware of how their President is perceived around the world. They would prefer it if the disagreements came from policy and not character failings.

I don't care if the president engages in a cluster ****. That is his/her own affair and if this country was not such a bunch of prudes about sex it would not be an issue at all. All this so called sexual morality BS is for the birds. I say get it any way you can as long as both parties agree.

 

[Fiddytree]

I don't care if the president engages in a cluster ****. That is his/her own affair and if this country was not such a bunch of prudes about sex it would not be an issue at all. All this so called sexual morality BS is for the birds. I say get it any way you can as long as both parties agree.

The rest of the country cares, James. The fact of the matter is that is the way things will continue to roll, despite your protests.

 

[fmw]

Who care who has sex with who?

Wives, husbands, families would be examples.

If Wiener wants to show his junk all over the web who cares?

Voters. Many voters don't vote for people of low character.

If Bill Clinton has sex with a willing 21 year old who cares other than Hillary?

See above.

The only time I care is if the sex is aganst someone elses will or if the politition is a family values conservatives who screams out against sin while engaging in it. I don't care if they join in on a Mongoliam cluster **** as long as they don't engage in hypocricy. It was funny many of those self righteous GOP guys who tried to fry Bill Clinton engaged in the same thing like good pld Newt the king of hypocrites.

No act is immoral as long as one admits to it?

 

[James D Hill]

The rest of the country cares, James. The fact of the matter is that is the way things will continue to roll, despite your protests.

Not after all the prudes die off. Do you know the porn business makes more that the NFl,NBA and MLB combined. Do you know that 33% of all videos sold are porn. Conservatives and moral crusaders have lost the culture war my friend and sex is part of that. So lets have lots of nasty sex,do drugs and gamble our lives away. It is utopia.

 

[Fiddytree]

Not after all the prudes die off. Do you know the porn business makes more that the NFl,NBA and MLB combined. Do you know that 33% of all videos sold are porn. Conservatives and moral crusaders have lost the culture war my friend and sex is part of that. So lets have lots of nasty sex,do drugs and gamble our lives away. It is utopia.

If you're this guy:

Most of us are not.

 

[James D Hill]

If you're this guy:

Most of us are not.

That was me listening to Yes Close to the Edge or King Crimson The Court of the Crimson King. The only thing that is immoral is hurting others or violating others rights. Anything else is fair game my friend.

 

[opendebate]

Who care who has sex with who? If Wiener wants to show his junk all over the web who cares? If Bill Clinton has sex with a willing 21 year old who cares other than Hillary? The only time I care is if the sex is aganst someone elses will or if the politition is a family values conservatives who screams out against sin while engaging in it. I don't care if they join in on a Mongoliam cluster **** as long as they don't engage in hypocricy. It was funny many of those self righteous GOP guys who tried to fry Bill Clinton engaged in the same thing like good pld Newt the king of hypocrites.

.word

 

[Fiddytree]

That was me listening to Yes Close to the Edge or King Crimson The Court of the Crimson King. The only thing that is immoral is hurting others or violating others rights. Anything else is fair game my friend.

King Crimson sounds great without the drugs. I just pop up the AKG 702s or my Sennheiser HD-600s, plug into headphone amp, and I'm golden. No drug necessary, no drug wanted.

 

[James D Hill]

Wives, husbands, families would be examples.



Voters. Many voters don't vote for people of low character.



See above.



No act is immoral as long as one admits to it?

Let the party begin. End this moralistic BS. Way too many rules. Lets end them. What ever tickles your toes as long as others are not hurt.

 

[James D Hill]

King Crimson sounds great without the drugs. I just pop up the AKG 702s or my Sennheiser HD-600s, plug into headphone amp, and I'm golden. No drug necessary, no drug wanted.

They do sound great. Robert Fripp is the man. He did smoke pot for years.

 

[ARealConservative]

broken promises mean nothing to the democrat that started this thread?

 

[Hard Truth]

People don't know what arrangements politicians make with their spouses, so even an extra-marital relationship is nobody's business but the wife's.

Also, it is moral to lie about your sex life with consenting partners to anyone who is not your partner, because it is nobody else's business, and the people asking are probably trying to ruin your life. It is morally equivalent to telling a Nazi soldier the lie that you aren't Jewish. Self preservation demands it.

However, I would prefer it if politicians would simply say "I'm not answering that question, my personal sex life is not your business."