Yes, in fact I pointed to thousands of years of SW droughts and mentioned the Early Native American civilizations in that context.This really isn't overly surprising. Weather is cyclical. Ever read the novel Grapes of Wrath? Ever here about the depression and the dust bowl that was the American midwest?
Actually, no one politicized this until your post. No one even mentioned warming or the more loaded AGW.CanadaJohn said:Only thing changing now is that charlatans and snake oil salesmen like Al Gore want to convince you and the gullible in government that they can change the weather patterns and it will only cost you every living convenience and the wealth you worked hard for and built up in support of yourself and your family.
There is no way that desalinated water can be confused with the water we have here in the Pacific Northwest.
Believe as you wish.Actually it really can. It's hard to believe for some people but its no different than wine sommeliers who claim with certainty they can tell the difference between a $500 bottle of wine and a $5 bottle of wine--it often isn't true. Most of the 'taste' from your local tap water comes from the pipes not the water itself. I dug up a great line I remembered from a leading expert on desalination out of the University of Melbourne (Australia has many desalination facilities):
"SH If I gave you a glass of water from reclaimed sewage and a glass of water from a desal plant, would you be able to tell them apart?
SK I wouldn’t be able to tell which one was which if they had both passed through the same sort of reverse osmosis at the end. I could tell them apart from, say, rainwater, because they would be purer than rainwater."
And my favorite "You can taste the difference between rainwater and desalinated water, or reclaimed wastewater, because they are actually purer."
Which really makes sense when you think about it.
Sandra Kentish on Water desalination : News : The University of Melbourne
Once again, don't need desalinization. Besides by the time you build just one very expensive plant the droughts will be over until the next cycle. Just go to waterless toilets. Heck, you'll even save on sewerage.
Believe as you wish.
Once again, don't need desalinization. Besides by the time you build just one very expensive plant the droughts will be over until the next cycle. Just go to waterless toilets. Heck, you'll even save on sewerage.
People will use it if they must. The desalination process effectively removes salts, but not other things you find in ocean water.Even if I was wrong I don't think it would be that big a deal. If the biggest obstacle to desalination is that some people aren't overly fond of the taste I'd say we've got a bright future ahead of us.
People will use it if they must. The desalination process effectively removes salts, but not other things you find in ocean water.
Even if I was wrong I don't think it would be that big a deal. If the biggest obstacle to desalination is that some people aren't overly fond of the taste I'd say we've got a bright future ahead of us.
Treating river water from melting snow packs is different that treating sea water.Actually reverse osmosis (RO) which is the process used in most desalination facilities is a comprehensive purification process. It is the same process used in most of your water treatment plants. So that isn't true.
Treating river water from melting snow packs is different that treating sea water.
The biggest obstacle is cost. It might work for domestic use, but not for agriculture, at least not unless a much less expensive way can be found to accomplish it.
You are an optimist.Probably true. That's why I cited a 10-15 year development period because I think graphene and other advances in material science will dramatically reduce the cost making this plausible even for agriculture but not in the interum where it will be used to alleviate drought conditions for drinking water.
California wouldn't have drought problems if it fell into the Pacific Ocean.
I know, lets put a huge population base in the desert south west. Who's idea was that? Really though people gravitate to good weather and the south west has it so we get down to the fact that there are just too many people.
It's not too many people, it's too many Yankees. Folks from up north or back east who think we can turn deserts into green suburbs where the homeowner needs to mow once a week. American Exceptionalism pretending we don't have to obey the most basic laws of nature. Wichita Falls Tx has entered stage 5 drought, they have never had a stage 5 drought and so they had to hammer out what to do. NOW they are going to recycle water from the waste treatment plant. Seems we act only at the last second and with very poor results.
And on the subject of who gravitates to 'good weather' seems businesses gravitate toward short term gains because they know they can skip out whenever the well literally runs dry- both in incentives and drinking water. :doh
So it appears businesses moving to the bribes blossoming in the arid lands think it's a good idea....
The growers on the West side of the San Joaquin valley do.
I read it was 5 states, either way, bad news for sure.Please spare me the faux-macho "you're an alarmist" claim.
No one is going to go thirsty anytime soon, but this is a serious issue already affecting food prices nationwide.
Summer, oft the driest season is approaching in many places, it could get worse. It could go on for years more in some of these areas too.
This also is a big issue in the arid states viability.
Texas is booming with plenty of oil but little water.
Seven states running out of water
Alexander E.M. Hess and Thomas C. Frohlich
USA Today via 24/7 Wall St.
6:30 a.m. EDT June 1, 2014
Seven states running out of water
Waterless toilets have been around a long time. For some reason, no one wants to go back to them:
and, as I said before, the state of California uses more water than nature gives us even in wet years. Conservation is all well and good, but, if agriculture is going to continue, water will have to be imported sooner or later, or a practical and inexpensive method of desalinization will have to be developed.
If not, count on the price of groceries to go through the roof.
If these seven states got rid of their golf courses their water shortages would be greatly mitigated.
Golf courses are the single greatest waste of water on the planet.
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Attempting to turn areas in the desert south west into the verdant green hills of Scotland during a water shortage is nothing short of insane.
The biggest obstacle is cost. It might work for domestic use, but not for agriculture, at least not unless a much less expensive way can be found to accomplish it.
That only works if you don't believe that this is part of a longer term trend in increased water requirement.
I can imagine if one of those propane ones is defective and it explodes while youre taking a dump... might not be pretty.Not so. Though they have been around since the 60s the waterless toilets, at the time propane based, were never advertised to gain common acceptance. Now, they run on propane/natural gas or electric. Cost is about 28 cents a "flush" and the new varieties are fully self contained. Just empty the sterile ash once a week. Once again, no water usage, no sewerage needed.
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