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Separating Islam from "All Muslims".

Why just ignore all the violent kill-the-infidel stuff in the Koran? It seems a whole big chunk of all who call themselves "muslims" don't ignore it..

Trying to justify islam by comparing it to Christianity as some sort of argument is all sorts of useless.

It's like you only read what you feel like reading.
 
Could you possibly be missing the point harder? If Leviticus suddenly Doesn't Count Because Jesus, why do so many Christians cite it when voicing their opposition to homosexuality, for example?

My main point is that, despite the violent, kill-the-infidel **** in the Koran, a billion-plus Muslims have no problem going through life without becoming head-lopping monsters, so trying to use "BUT TEH KORAN IS VIOLENT" as some sort of argument is all sorts of useless.

And ignoring the violence(inspired by Islamic doctrineTODAY) going on because of an ancient holy book that is used in verbal argument against homosexuals?

Someone doesn't know the difference between apples and oranges.
 
And ignoring the violence(inspired by Islamic doctrineTODAY) going on because of an ancient holy book that is used in verbal argument against homosexuals?

Someone doesn't know the difference between apples and oranges.

What on earth are you blathering about? Who's "ignoring" violence?

I see you're another one who likes to invent arguments for other posters, which you can then attack. You'll fit right in.
 
What on earth are you blathering about? Who's "ignoring" violence?

I see you're another one who likes to invent arguments for other posters, which you can then attack. You'll fit right in.

You ignore it by denying the root cause. I suppose it is tuff for a magic liberal( unless you are Islamic) to imagine someone hating him, but that is what Islam teaches to do.
 
You ignore it by denying the root cause. I suppose it is tuff for a magic liberal( unless you are Islamic) to imagine someone hating him, but that is what Islam teaches to do.

The root cause of Islamic extremism is the Koran? Then explain the billion plus Muslims who've managed to not kill anyone.

The root causes of radicalization and extremism run way, way deeper than objectionable passages in a 1,500-year-old book. It's your brand of intellectually shallow thinking that has prevented us from making any real progress stemming the tide of extremism.
 
Love when non-Christans think they know more about Christianity than Christians




No, Jewish people have 613 laws to obey it called the Talmud

Pretty much everything Jesus says invalidates those old laws

Take the prohibition on eating pork and shellfish

“Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” -Mark 7:18-19

Love it when Christians think that non-Christians were never christians or that somehow, magically, their knowledge of their previous faith evaporates.
Congratulations you hit on an inconsistency in the bible. You have no way of knowing which, if any, are correct.
 
The root cause of Islamic extremism is the Koran? Then explain the billion plus Muslims who've managed to not kill anyone.

The root causes of radicalization and extremism run way, way deeper than objectionable passages in a 1,500-year-old book. It's your brand of intellectually shallow thinking that has prevented us from making any real progress stemming the tide of extremism.

Absoflippinlutely!!

It's your brand of liberal brainwash thinking that has prevented us from making any real progress stemming the tide of extremism.
 
Absoflippinlutely!!

It's your brand of liberal brainwash thinking that has prevented us from making any real progress stemming the tide of extremism.

Explain the billion-plus Muslims who aren't extremist killers then. Yanno, if it's so simple.
 
Love it when a discussion about Islam instantly devolves into "But but but... Christianity, it says in the Old Testament..."


Context and practice.


Christian terrorism isn't a major problem in the world. Christians enslaving and raping and claiming divine command are not a world-stage level problem. Christians executing apostates is not a common problem in the world... Islamic societies executing apostates happens even in allegedly "civilized" Shariah-ruled nations.


Apples; atom bombs.


How about we discuss the ACTUAL problem TODAY, which is literalist Islam, rather than dredging up the Inquisition or Ancient Judea?
 
Explain the billion-plus Muslims who aren't extremist killers then. Yanno, if it's so simple.



Because the Average Abdullah doesn't really want to kill or die for Allah any more than the average Joe Murica particularly wants to die for his country. Most people just want to do their thing and be left alone.


The extremists get a lot of them stirred up pretty readily though, as witness some of the radicalized recent terrorists in America who had good jobs and seemed to have assimilated... and while the reasons are complex and have many roots, that the Quran at its core is about conquest and coercion is one of them.

Thus, the disproportionate QUANTITY (and severity) of Islamist terrorism....
 
Explain the billion-plus Muslims who aren't extremist killers then. Yanno, if it's so simple.

They do not exist.. Not that many..
 
Explain the billion-plus Muslims who aren't extremist killers then. Yanno, if it's so simple.

Here are your killers...

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If they support sharia they support murder for a number of BS reasons....
 
They do not exist.. Not that many..

:shock:

There's approximately 1.2 billion Muslims on the planet. Are you claiming that more than a sixth of them are terrorist killers???
 
Because the Average Abdullah doesn't really want to kill or die for Allah any more than the average Joe Murica particularly wants to die for his country. Most people just want to do their thing and be left alone.


The extremists get a lot of them stirred up pretty readily though, as witness some of the radicalized recent terrorists in America who had good jobs and seemed to have assimilated... and while the reasons are complex and have many roots, that the Quran at its core is about conquest and coercion is one of them.

Thus, the disproportionate QUANTITY (and severity) of Islamist terrorism....

Is the Koran a book with only one interpretation? Or can different men have their own interpretations of what the Koran says and what Islam means to them?
 
(42+20+15+12+25+27+12+10+8+86+77+72+99+84+82+91+89+83+74+71+56+29+86+82+74+71+66+65+64+63+58+55+53+52+47+47+37=2084)/38= average 54.82% are killers... More than half...

100-52.82=47.18% not killers..

Approx 1.7 Billion X 47.18 = 802,060,000 not killers
Approx 1.7 Billion X 52.82 = 897,940,000 are killers

billion-plus Muslims who aren't extremist killers


Bit short of 1 billion+ ....
 
:shock:

There's approximately 1.2 billion Muslims on the planet. Are you claiming that more than a sixth of them are terrorist killers???

Oh only 1.2 billion for you? Then wayyyy short of a billion...

I'm claiming more than half support murder for their religion, aka sharia
 
:shock:

There's approximately 1.2 billion Muslims on the planet. Are you claiming that more than a sixth of them are terrorist killers???

Approx 1.2 Billion X 47.18 = only 566,160,000 not killers..

You are wrong by almost 2X
 
Is the Koran a book with only one interpretation? Or can different men have their own interpretations of what the Koran says and what Islam means to them?


Obviously, even the most cursory examination of Islam and the Middle East reveals that there are varying interpretations... this is where we get Sunni and Shiite and why they kill each other when they're not busy killing us.


And yes, there are "liberal" Muslims who view Jihad as a spiritual struggle rather than literal violence... but the Quran says what it says. The later Meccan Suras supercede the earlier Medina Suras, and taken in any slightly literalist fashion do support violent Jihad.... thus the ease with which some seemingly Westernized Muslims become radicalized, as in the recent hubby-wife terror tag team.
 
Approx 1.2 Billion X 47.18 = only 566,160,000 not killers..

You are wrong by almost 2X

Do you realize how almost painfully ignorant you sound here?

The definition of what Sharia is varies wildly between sects and regions. It most certainly does not mean "murder for religion."

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
 
Do you realize how almost painfully ignorant you sound here?

The definition of what Sharia is varies wildly between sects and regions. It most certainly does not mean "murder for religion."

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Uh.... R U ****ing serious?????

Sharia means:
Kill for being gay
Kill for leaving islam
Kill for adultering
kill kill kill kill kill kill
 
Uh.... R U ****ing serious?????

Sharia means:
Kill for being gay
Kill for leaving islam
Kill for adultering
kill kill kill kill kill kill

That's not even remotely close to an accurate definition. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

In some countries, "sharia" is used for exactly that. In others where "sharia" is officially recognized, it's not.

In any event, it's not my job to continue your education, so come bother me again after you've bothered to learn something.
 

Here.. Saudi is pretty close to sharia law..

Saudi law allows the death penalty for many crimes. For example:

Adultery (Unmarried adulterers can be sentenced to 100 lashes, married ones can be sentenced to stoning.)[8]
Apostasy (Apostates are sentenced to beheading but are usually given three days to repent and return to Islam.)[7]
Atheism
Armed robbery[7]
Blasphemy[7]
Burglary
Carjacking
Aircraft hijacking
Drug smuggling
Fornication
Home invasion
Sodomy, homosexuality, or lesbianism (If a man or woman is sodomized by their own consent, then they will also be sentenced to death along with the sodomizer)
Idolatry
Murder[7]
Rape[7]
Sedition and Political crimes
Sexual misconduct
Sorcery
Terrorism
Theft (fourth conviction)
Treason
Waging war on God[27][28]
Witchcraft[9][10][11][12]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Saudi_Arabia
 
Here.. Saudi is pretty close to sharia law..

Saudi law allows the death penalty for many crimes. For example:

Adultery (Unmarried adulterers can be sentenced to 100 lashes, married ones can be sentenced to stoning.)[8]
Apostasy (Apostates are sentenced to beheading but are usually given three days to repent and return to Islam.)[7]
Atheism
Armed robbery[7]
Blasphemy[7]
Burglary
Carjacking
Aircraft hijacking
Drug smuggling
Fornication
Home invasion
Sodomy, homosexuality, or lesbianism (If a man or woman is sodomized by their own consent, then they will also be sentenced to death along with the sodomizer)
Idolatry
Murder[7]
Rape[7]
Sedition and Political crimes
Sexual misconduct
Sorcery
Terrorism
Theft (fourth conviction)
Treason
Waging war on God[27][28]
Witchcraft[9][10][11][12]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Saudi_Arabia

/sigh

Yes, Saudi Arabian law does do that. Does every Muslim country that observes sharia do the same?
 
/sigh

Yes, Saudi Arabian law does do that. Does every Muslim country that observes sharia do the same?

sharia=killers

End of story..

No if ands or buts
 
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